Ruth can do the impossible!

[JT]

NY....

Simple rule on this forum.....put your name under your handle, or Leon will do it for you.

[Runscott]

GUU? Now that is really funny. I posted over there maybe 5-10 times and got almost ZERO response to any of my questions. A couple of guys did respond, and a couple also took snipes at me because I accidentally made a mistake or two. Do you think I responded by telling them how famous I was on Net54 (not that I am) as an excuse for behaving in a manner that they considered odd or inappropriate?

If my head was in the sand we'd be bumping noses ('sand' being a euphemism for something a bit more odiferous).

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Runscott

GUU? Now that is really funny. I posted over there maybe 5-10 times and got almost ZERO response to any of my questions. A couple of guys did respond, and a couple also took snipes at me because I accidentally made a mistake or two. Do you think I responded by telling them how famous I was on Net54 (not that I am) as an excuse for behaving in a manner that they considered odd or inappropriate?

If my head was in the sand we'd be bumping noses ('sand' being a euphemism for something a bit more odiferous).

Since you guys seem to want to sling mud at anyone and everyone you guys perceive as a scammer, how else does one prove he's up to par with you guys? I never claimed to be "famous" guy so I don't know where that is coming from. I'm glad I didn't have to post what I really wanted to post instead of sand for you to get it. Great job great Scott

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

Since you guys seem to want to sling mud at anyone and everyone you guys perceive as a scammer, how else does one prove he's up to par with you guys? I never claimed to be "famous" guy so I don't know where that is coming from. I'm glad I didn't have to post what I really wanted to post instead of sand for you to get it. Great job great Scott

Actually, I just go by Scott. Settle down, read a little more and spend a little less time getting your cockles up, and you won't need to have such a defensive attitude. But you've already let us know that you don't give a flip what anyone here thinks, except perhaps the other Scott. If that's the way you want to play things, then enjoy a ride that will probably be less than it could have been.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Runscott

Actually, I just go by Scott. Settle down, read a little more and spend a little less time getting your cockles up, and you won't need to have such a defensive attitude. But you've already let us know that you don't give a flip what anyone here thinks, except perhaps the other Scott. If that's the way you want to play things, then enjoy a ride that will probably be less than it could have been.

I have respect for everyone on this forum because I know there is a plethora of knowledge on this site, I've stated this before during my short 30 or less posts now. Would you like to be disrespected and called a scammer knowing how much you and I seem to both love and respect this hobby? If you accuse someone of a crime, wouldn't you expect an innocent person or shout from the mountain tops?

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

I have respect for everyone on this forum because I know there is a plethora of knowledge on this site, I've stated this before during my short 30 or less posts now. Would you like to be disrespected and called a scammer knowing how much you and I seem to both love and respect this hobby? If you accuse someone of a crime, wouldn't you expect an innocent person or shout from the mountain tops?

Just take a deep breath, and reboot. Maybe an introductory post on the main board to start over.

And don't answer an innocent question like you're John Gotti Jr getting denied entry to a club. "Do you know who I am?!?!"

[Nyygameused]

While some of you may not respect he credibility of the site I'm coming from it does not take away from the fact that I'm not new to this hobby. I'm just new to this area, and that's why I was deferring to the knowledge on the board. I'm extremely disappointed with this thread but then again who am I right? Truly unfortunate

[Lordstan]

Carmelo,
Nobody accused you of a crime. Reread posts 13, 14, and 15. The three of us suggested that you introduce yourself, because when an anonymous person posts multiple suspicious Ruth signatures it makes us suspicious of them. We don't know you, so we are left to our imaginations. You responded to this perceived insult by hostility which was returned in kind.

Perhaps if you had started with...
Hi all, my name's Carmelo and I'm new here. I came over from GUU as I am starting to look at getting into vintage autos and such. I was looking for Ruth items and came across a couple of weird autos. First one that sold on ebay last month is (inset link and photo) Then I found this (inset link and photo) on the sports collectors daily site. They look identical to me. Any help would be appreciated.

That is a good new member first post asking for help. Some of the same stuff you said, but you left out the name, etc.

Additionally, even if you had posted the initial posts the way you did, if, in post 19, you had said something like...
Well, my name is carmelo and I came over from GUU(insert ID). Been a member over there for about 5yrs and am looking to move into older autographed type stuff. I found them here (insert link) and they looked very strange to me, so I thought I would ask.

Now you said some of the same things, but in a much more defensive way.

The point that we are trying to make to you is that we don't know you, your level of expertise, or your level of passion and respect for the hobby. If you don't introduce yourself, how could we?

What you will find here is that the forgers and scammers that are ruining our hobby really really really piss us off. If someone comes on here and acts in a way that could be suspicious, we will attempt to uncover the truth. Sometimes, that process isn't pretty. The unfortunate truth is that we have had our share of scammers come on and do exactly what you did and then it becomes clear they they were the forger.

Edit: I see that as I was writing this Jim had stepped in and wrote basically what I was trying to say. Not trying to beat up on anyone.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Carmelo,
Nobody accused you of a crime. Reread posts 13, 14, and 15. The three of us suggested that you introduce yourself, because when an anonymous person posts multiple suspicious Ruth signatures it makes us suspicious of them. We don't know you, so we are left to our imaginations. You responded to this perceived insult by hostility which was returned in kind.

Perhaps if you had started with...
Hi all, my name's Carmelo and I'm new here. I came over from GUU as I am starting to look at getting into vintage autos and such. I was looking for Ruth items and came across a couple of weird autos. First one that sold on ebay last month is (inset link and photo) Then I found this (inset link and photo) on the sports collectors daily site. They look identical to me. Any help would be appreciated.

That is a good new member first post asking for help. Some of the same stuff you said, but you left out the name, etc.

Additionally, even if you had posted the initial posts the way you did, if, in post 19, you had said something like...
Well, my name is carmelo and I came over from GUU(insert ID). Been a member over there for about 5yrs and am looking to move into older autographed type stuff. I found them here (insert link) and they looked very strange to me, so I thought I would ask.

Now you said some of the same things, but in a much more defensive way.

The point that we are trying to make to you is that we don't know you, your level of expertise, or your level of passion and respect for the hobby. If you don't introduce yourself, how could we?

What you will find here is that the forgers and scammers that are ruining our hobby really really really piss us off. If someone comes on here and acts in a way that could be suspicious, we will attempt to uncover the truth. Sometimes, that process isn't pretty. The unfortunate truth is that we have had our share of scammers come on and do exactly what you did and then it becomes clear they they were the forger.

Mark I don't know you at all but all I know is that your posts have restored my faith in this forum in the middle of all this madness.

We all aren't the same, I'm a 100% legit guy who responds very aggressively when attacked. But then again I would want to oust anyone looking to scam me or anyone else in my area of expertise (modern era yankees). So I get it, I just was not ready to be on the receiving end

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

I have respect for everyone on this forum because I know there is a plethora of knowledge on this site, I've stated this before during my short 30 or less posts now. Would you like to be disrespected and called a scammer knowing how much you and I seem to both love and respect this hobby? If you accuse someone of a crime, wouldn't you expect an innocent person or shout from the mountain tops?

No one called you a scammer or accused you of a crime.

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

While some of you may not respect he credibility of the site I'm coming from it does not take away from the fact that I'm not new to this hobby. I'm just new to this area, and that's why I was deferring to the knowledge on the board. I'm extremely disappointed with this thread but then again who am I right? Truly unfortunate

No one (from what I can tell) does not respect GUU. They are not nearly as welcoming toward new guys as we are - as I stated earlier, they largely ignore them unless they are purchasing something, and they also aren't as protective when it comes to forgeries, since they don't have to be - there isn't a modern autograph that comes close to the value of a Babe Ruth. So you are an unknown new guy, posting Babe Ruth forgeries, which we are sensitive about. I could see how you might feel more comfortable if we treated you from the outset as if you were a well-respected member of another forum, even if we didn't know that, but it's weird to me that you can't see why your posts have raised some eyebrows over here. Despite that, no one called you a scammer or a criminal.

If it makes you feel better, I'll go over to GUU with my 24-post count and respond to one of your threads. You can then either ignore me as everyone else will, or slap me around a bit.

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Runscott

slap me around a bit.

Can anyone play?

[Runscott]

I should add that I am very impressed with the way Ken attempts to photo-match game-used stuff. That's something that all hobbyists should be demanding, and it's something that actually could easily be done for every single game-used item that is sold. As I associate that forum more with Ken than anyone else, I obviously have respect for it.

[Lordstan]

You don't have to prove you're on par. People on this forum run the gamut from beginner to someone with one of the most advanced collections around. It's about transparency. People want to know who they are talking to. Post your name under your id would be a good start. Scammers don't typically want people to know who they are. Those who want to be part of the board and contribute aren't afraid to be known.

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

You don't have to prove you're on par. People on this forum run the gamut from beginner to someone with one of the most advanced collections around. It's about transparency. People want to know who they are talking to. Post your name under your id would be a good start. Scammers don't typically want people to know who they are. Those who want to be part of the board and contribute aren't afraid to be known.

Mark if nothing else, you have the utmost respect from a young collector. I don't have 10, 20 years in this hobby and joined this site because a moderator told me I should after contacting them after a purchase on ebay. I never understood the "drama" we encounter on these forums but now I see it seems to be inevitable. As people seem to treat "a newbie" as either completely new to the hobby or some kind of stealth scammer.

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by JT

NY....

Simple rule on this forum.....put your name under your handle, or Leon will do it for you.

Not quite:
"Anonymous, where this board is concerned, implies that you are not known to the moderator or anyone else. That is not permitted on Net54baseball. However, you may remain private on the board; otherwise, as long your post is not argumentative, controversial, confrontational, accusatorial etc.…For example you can discuss attributes of cards, sets or memorabilia and stay private. You can not say someone is an imbecile, hard to deal with, gave poor service etc…and remain private on the board. In addition to that if your opinion is that you dislike someone, hate them, can’t stand or don’t like anything about them, and you want to tell the world about it on Net54baseball, then your full name will need to be in your post. The moderator may put the posters name on the board or delete their posts, at his sole discretion, when this rule is not adhered to. Heated debates will require first and last names to be known, and made public, on the board."

Hard-headed and defensive is not in there. However, how much effort does it take to say "My name is XXX. You may have heard of me on XXX.com under the handle XXX."??

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Not quite:
"Anonymous, where this board is concerned, implies that you are not known to the moderator or anyone else. That is not permitted on Net54baseball. However, you may remain private on the board; otherwise, as long your post is not argumentative, controversial, confrontational, accusatorial etc.…For example you can discuss attributes of cards, sets or memorabilia and stay private. You can not say someone is an imbecile, hard to deal with, gave poor service etc…and remain private on the board. In addition to that if your opinion is that you dislike someone, hate them, can’t stand or don’t like anything about them, and you want to tell the world about it on Net54baseball, then your full name will need to be in your post. The moderator may put the posters name on the board or delete their posts, at his sole discretion, when this rule is not adhered to. Heated debates will require first and last names to be known, and made public, on the board."

Hard-headed and defensive is not in there. However, how much effort does it take to say "My name is XXX. You may have heard of me on XXX.com under the handle XXX."??

Again, my name is carmelo, you may have heard of me on gameuseduniverse.com under the handle yankees 506. I thought my first post was sufficient, I'm glad I'm not defending myself against cops or else I'd be looking at life it seems: my first post

"Hello everyone, longtime lurker on this site until I purchased a ruth fan letter once belonging to a nice member on here who suggested I go ahead and join. Long time collector of the modern stuff autos and game used. Just getting into the jungle of the high end vintage stuff."

Ok well to the business at hand, this item is being offered to me with a story of being cut out of a 1920s yankees scorecard (blue pencils supplied at the time???) any info on authenticity is appreciated!

[Deertick]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

Again, my name is carmelo, you may have heard of me on gameuseduniverse.com under the handle yankees 506. I thought my first post was sufficient, I'm glad I'm not defending myself against cops or else I'd be looking at life it seems: my first post

"Hello everyone, longtime lurker on this site until I purchased a ruth fan letter once belonging to a nice member on here who suggested I go ahead and join. Long time collector of the modern stuff autos and game used. Just getting into the jungle of the high end vintage stuff."

Ok well to the business at hand, this item is being offered to me with a story of being cut out of a 1920s yankees scorecard (blue pencils supplied at the time???) any info on authenticity is appreciated!

Carmelo, I saw that before, but most probably didn't. As a few said before, there have been many scammers that have tried to set up shop here. They don't last long. MOST don't seem to introduce themselves and start talking about high end stuff or giving flat-out-wrong 'opinions'.

I think this topic is a great one, but has unfortunately been derailed by the defensive posture you have taken. My opinion: take a breath before you become like Scott. (Hi, Scott!)

[Nyygameused]

Originally Posted by Deertick

Carmelo, I saw that before, but most probably didn't. As a few said before, there have been many scammers that have tried to set up shop here. They don't last long. MOST don't seem to introduce themselves and start talking about high end stuff or giving flat-out-wrong 'opinions'.

I think this topic is a great one, but has unfortunately been derailed by the defensive posture you have taken. My opinion: take a breath before you become like Scott. (Hi, Scott!)

Thank you deertick, I just wanted to be welcomed, I had no idea this site was full of scammers. But then again I'm new to the retro side of the hobby, maybe I was mistaken thinking open arms where awaiting me

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by Nyygameused

Thank you deertick, I just wanted to be welcomed, I had no idea this site was full of scammers. But then again I'm new to the retro side of the hobby, maybe I was mistaken thinking open arms where awaiting me

Welcome Carmello!

[Fuddjcal]

Welcome Carmello!

This post illiterates precisely the reason I never tried to buy a Ruth or Gehrig...Just kept buying Mantle Mantle Mantle. It was the only signature I could really learn and buy from 100-400 or so. There are so many Fakes across the board and PSA & JSA have made a mess of it. I don't trust them to do a competent job. The rubber stamper authenticator forgery ring has just put me in such a foul place regarding collecting, my eyes are hurting... I can't see buying another autograph.

If I ever do buy a Ruth or Gehrig, it would be from Richard or Jim PERIOD.