T206 Titus and Bliss *cancelled*

[pgellis]

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[Mountaineer1999]

Originally Posted by pgellis

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Rules are rules I suppose, but sometimes we have to empathize with the other person don't we?


Maybe the solution is to have a little more fair deal struck between the first two parties. Not market value but also not dirt cheap. Lets say 50% of the card value instead of 10%.
If I would have been the seller I would be sick about it and would try to work something out, if I couldn't work anything out I would go ahead with the sell as promised.
But if I were the buyer, I think I would understand the position of the seller and make some concessions. Maybe $200, that feels about right.

Just my 2-cents.

[ullmandds]

Funny how when I sold some purple E94's on the cheap a little ways back noone was screaming bloody murder. I guess it's only T206'!

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Funny how when I sold some purple E94's on the cheap a little ways back noone was screaming bloody murder. I guess it's only T206'!

How cheap was it, Pete? 10% of the current value? Maybe it wasn't as obvious as this Titus listing?

[bbcard1]

This is not a raw card that the seller inherited from his great grandfather, and I'm not sure it would matter if it was. It is something the he had bought and got tired of and decided to sell. He should have some idea of what he paid for it and was happy with the price he was selling if for...His email to me was "You've got it." I am quite comfortable with the ethics of paying a person who comes on a Buy Sell Trade board and makes the conscious decision to sell his cards with or without research his full asking price. If this person is mentally disabled or senile, I would feel differently.

When I owned a store or was a dealer, I felt obligated to pay people who brought their cards into my shop a fair market, which at that time, believe it or not, was 50% or more. If I walk into a show or a shop and someone has something priced cheaply I feel no remorse in buying it and I doubt anyone else would so long as it is not mis-priced. I see this board pretty much as if it were a show and the people who post have made a conscious decision to be dealers.

[tiger8mush]

Originally Posted by bbcard1

...His email to me was "You've got it."

woops, was writing my post as you posted ... that answers my question then

[team-of-rivals]

How difficult is it to check sold listings on eBay? No matter the side you stand on in this situation, it all comes down to the integrity of the seller. It wasn't a matter of mistyping the price, it was a lack of simple common sense and thirty seconds of research.
Many of you are moaning about this being an educational forum, yadda, yadda.....I agree. What better education/lesson learned than an 'ass-kicking' on a sale....?

[pgellis]

Come on, this is not like grandma coming on here with a box full of her late husband's cards that included Wagner, Plank, Doyle, etc. and sold them to the first person who offered her $100.

This is a person who by his own introductory post the other day said,

"Got my first tobacco card at 12, next at 16, a few more at 20, and been on the hunt pretty actively since I turned 24 (I'm 27 now...dad is still at it, going to be 91 in December)."

So he knows enough about tobacco cards that he isn't a total newbie. He could look on eBay or CardTarget for current pricing, but he didn't. I'm sure he didn't "lose" money on the deal, meaning, I'm sure he sold it for as much or more than he originally paid for it.

Obviously, he was unaware of the Titus phenomenon....., but he did agree to the sale. Integrity is something that is hard to earn back. If I made the same mistake, I would honor the deal. It may be worth more than a couple hundred bucks.

[JohnP0621]

I hope that this seller has the same Morals and Contacts the Seller that he bought it from and shares the Profits once he sells the card.I am sure that he bought the card for Less or as much as he was going to sell it for. I dont think that he was going to Loose Money on the Sale.

John P

[z28jd]

Originally Posted by JohnP0621

I hope that this seller has the same Morals and Contacts the Seller that he bought it from and shares the Profits once he sells the card.I am sure that he bought the card for Less or as much as he was going to sell it for. I dont think that he was going to Loose Money on the Sale.

John P

Exactly, good point. No one is going to randomly dump cards for less than they paid unless they didn't sell for awhile. I'd like to hear how much the person he bought the cards from is going to receive from the eventual sale...

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

Funny how when I sold some purple E94's on the cheap a little ways back noone was screaming bloody murder. I guess it's only T206'!

the disparity in % may not have been as great...but the % of disappointed sellers was significant.

[ullmandds]

"If a tree falls in the forest and noone sees or hears it...did it fall?"

If anyone of us finds a "steal" in a local flea market or antique shop..or even ebay sometimes....and then shows it here...kudos are distributed in grand fashion and noone claims the riot act and wants to contact the seller...but when it happens here...different story.

In this day and age...it is easy to do the research...it's simple as that!

[slipk1068]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

"If a tree falls in the forest and noone sees or hears it...did it fall?"

If anyone of us finds a "steal" in a local flea market or antique shop..or even ebay sometimes....and then shows it here...kudos are distributed in grand fashion and noone claims the riot act and wants to contact the seller...but when it happens here...different story.

In this day and age...it is easy to do the research...it's simple as that!

That's true Pete, but I always consider this to be a more friendly type community. When I meet fellow members at card shows, I like to be able to hold my head up high and know that I have always been fair and honest.

[freakhappy]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

"If a tree falls in the forest and noone sees or hears it...did it fall?"

If anyone of us finds a "steal" in a local flea market or antique shop..or even ebay sometimes....and then shows it here...kudos are distributed in grand fashion and noone claims the riot act and wants to contact the seller...but when it happens here...different story.

In this day and age...it is easy to do the research...it's simple as that!

Some people tend to look after each other here...eBay is more of an independent selling area, but I guess you can look at it any way that you would please. If he was selling the Titus for $200 I would have no problem with it, but selling it for pennies kind of disturbs me somewhat.

I'm not hating on either side of this situation, but just giving my opinion on the matter. If you think it's bs that he reneged on the sale, so be it...it doesn't hurt my feelings

[ullmandds]

Hey...i'm just playing devils advocate here...I don't really have a beef either way...it just seems oftentimes there is a double standard.

Additionally I feel that the evergrowing culture of renegging has become so commonplace...that all accountability is being lost. And without this...civility is lost!

Nothing "bliss" ful about this thread!

[soxinseven]

Originally Posted by ullmandds

the disparity in % may not have been as great...but the % of disappointed sellers was significant.

The disparity in % was not even in the same ballpark. I responded first and that's why everyone else was disappointed. The prices were very fair but I doubt I could sell them for 8/10 times the purchase price. If anyone wants to offer me 8 to 10k for an SGC 30 Bates and an SGC 20 Evers let me know and I will have them in the mail tomorrow....

[t206trader]

I'm of the opinion that when someone agrees to a deal then that is a verbal contract. Having said that, I personally wouldn't have accepted the sellers offer without informing them of the value of their card. It's a tough situation for all. Still, to expect people not to talk to the seller about what the value of their card was is pretty foolish. I understand the forums rules but if someone came on here and sold a legitimate Honus Wagner for $100 do you think everyone would just stay quiet until the deal was done? Wishful thinking.

[CMIZ5290]

So much for Titus-itus.