Doug Allen and John Rogers Cooperated with the Feds!

[Exhibitman]

Obstructing while 'cooperating'; unreal. Nixonian arrogance.

[nolemmings]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Obstructing while 'cooperating'; unreal. Nixonian arrogance.

Ah yes, the old it's not illegal if I do it defense. Never really caught on--imagine that.

[wonkaticket]

I assume we got this link off Peter Nash's website I'm sure he reported on this first.

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/arti...ed-to-fbi-raid

Classic.

[bn2cardz]

The PSA 8 Wagner gets a lot of press about being altered... I had no idea about the PSA 6 Plank that is mentioned in the article.

Was this a well known fraud card also and I just missed it or is this a new revelation?

Was the alteration trimming like the Wagner?

We know the owner of the Wagner has said he won't do anything about the Wagner, but now the Plank has come out also could this hurt PSA in the long run that two major cards are now admitted trimmed cards in PSA numbered holders?

[brob28]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

The PSA 8 Wagner gets a lot of press about being altered... I had no idea about the PSA 6 Plank that is mentioned in the article.

Was this a well known fraud card also and I just missed it or is this a new revelation?

Was the alteration trimming like the Wagner?

We know the owner of the Wagner has said he won't do anything about the Wagner, but now the Plank has come out also could this hurt PSA in the long run that two major cards are now admitted trimmed cards in PSA numbered holders?

Andy what article are you referring to that mentions the Plank?

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by brob28

Andy what article are you referring to that mentions the Plank?

This one:

Originally Posted by wonkaticket

I assume we got this link off Peter Nash's website I'm sure he reported on this first.

http://www.arkansasbusiness.com/arti...-raid?page=all

Classic.

From the article:

Allen's plea agreement included acknowledgment of shill bidding to artificially inflate bidding and detailed three instances of fraud:
...
The sale in 2004 of a T206 Eddie Plank baseball card for $51,518 without disclosing that it has been altered in a way that would lower its market value.

[brob28]

Thanks, I didn't see that one.

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by bn2cardz

The PSA 8 Wagner gets a lot of press about being altered... I had no idea about the PSA 6 Plank that is mentioned in the article.

Was this a well known fraud card also and I just missed it or is this a new revelation?

Was the alteration trimming like the Wagner?

We know the owner of the Wagner has said he won't do anything about the Wagner, but now the Plank has come out also could this hurt PSA in the long run that two major cards are now admitted trimmed cards in PSA numbered holders?

Yes - there's another black-eye for PSA and this Plank card and the Wagner are probably only the tip of the iceberg. I wonder what's become of this Plank PSA 6?

[HRBAKER]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

Yes - there's another black-eye for PSA and this Plank card and the Wagner are probably only the tip of the iceberg. I wonder what's become of this Plank PSA 6?

Protect me from the people who would protect me from myself.

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Exhibitman

Obstructing while 'cooperating'; unreal. Nixonian arrogance.

Excellent comparison.

[chernieto]

UH OH !!!

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/catalog.aspx?sortby=7

[WhenItWasAHobby]

Originally Posted by chernieto

UH OH !!!

http://www.legendaryauctions.com/catalog.aspx?sortby=7

Wow! That's amazing. They're stilling running auctions. Who's officially running Legendary now?

[turtleguy64]

they had to run another auction just before the court date.how are the lawyer's bills going to get paid ? with money from the pockets of Joe the Plumber."extended bidding" suddenly takes on an urgent meaning for the accused.need more dough.

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

Wow! That's amazing. They're stilling running auctions. Who's officially running Legendary now?

I believe they are down to Chekov running the "wessel."

[Fred]

I think the part I found the most amusing was the part where Doug tried to double cross the government by tipping off Rogers and then having Rogers rat him out to the government for doing so. Wow, that had to have been mortifying to find out you've been double crossed by someone you were trying to help out by double crossing the government and then you find out you were being ratted out by the person you were trying to help. So, I guess Rogers made the most of it and Doug is going to get the worst of it.

Truly a sad story. So, what's been the impact on the hobby?

[Davino]

Sounds like some shady business there.

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I believe they are down to Chekov running the "wessel."

Oh that's good!

[kcohen]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

I believe they are down to Chekov running the "wessel."

Had to think about that one for a while.