t206 with no name

[mrvster]

great job!


the fear with the "no names"(I have heard, just hearsay) is that I have heard that a certain chemical allows the name to "slip" right off the bottom border if applied right....tpg's are scarred to death of them but I think with the proper scientific approach, the card could be forensically examined

someone has to experiment

[ullmandds]

Originally Posted by mrvster

great job!


The fear with the "no names"(i have heard, just hearsay) is that i have heard that a certain chemical allows the name to "slip" right off the bottom border if applied right....tpg's are scarred to death of them But i think with the proper scientific approach, the card could be forensically examined

someone has to experiment

what kind of hocus pocus is this...and why wouldn't it remove the other colors/borders as well?

MY FRIEND HAS A JOSS WITH NO NAME...BUT IT IS OBVIOUS(TO ME) THE NAME WAS REMOVED WITH BLEACH AS THE BORDERS LOOK PASTY AND PART OF THE BROWN/BLACK FRAME HAS ALSO BEEN REMOVED IN THE PROCESS CREATING A BROKEN/NON-CONTINUOUS LOOK TO THE BORDER.

[mrvster]

just to the caption area???.....very light......but I would suspect a chemical smell or something would be left behind??.......bleach ........pete.....you should sacrifice a beater T206.....apply a tiny bit of bleach on a qtip to the caption area....try a few different chemicals on a few $5 beaters maybe....see if a smell is left behind also???

kevin saucier is the expert on card alterations......is he still around????

[mrvster]

oh.......I didn't see what you wrote about the joss..............I have never even soaked a T206 or any card....but I would be curious to what the experts like kevin would have to say.....

your card looks good......wish we could slab it ourselves

[ullmandds]

I don't know if Kevin S is still active in the hobby in any capacity anymore. I was going to play around with some bleach last weekend...but decided against it as I'd presume the damage would be obvious. Additionally I don't think there is such thing as a $5 common t206 anymore...now $10-15!!!!!!

It'd be interesting to formulate a panel of "experts" like Dick Towle and Kevin Saucier to discuss such "chemicals" and ways to detect them...if any?

[mrvster]

great idea!! I have always wondered about this.....we need to do research.....Erick summers! calling Erick!......there are a few others here that would be able to greatly help......id love to slab your card as my first T206 no name......this would be a great thread, experiment!

you should've followed your instinct and try that bleach! true about the $5 beater also....I have been under pricing them sometimes

[t206hound]

Originally Posted by mrvster

great idea!! I have always wondered about this.....we need to do research.....Erick summers! calling Erick!......there are a few others here that would be able to greatly help......id love to slab your card as my first T206 no name......this would be a great thread, experiment!

you should've followed your instinct and try that bleach! true about the $5 beater also....I have been under pricing them sometimes

I have a card that I can experiment on; I have two approaches I'm thinking of (one has been mentioned here). Looking for a third approach as I believe I can try three different means on a single card.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by mrvster

great job!


the fear with the "no names"(I have heard, just hearsay) is that I have heard that a certain chemical allows the name to "slip" right off the bottom border if applied right....tpg's are scarred to death of them but I think with the proper scientific approach, the card could be forensically examined

someone has to experiment

No test was done for chemicals, either in my first tests or in the ones that David and I later did together. We outlined the tests we did. The results did not prove that nothing was done to the card, but they showed that nothing was revealed by the tests we conducted. Personally, I have a hard time believing that 104-yr old ink could be removed by chemicals without leaving any trace of the lettering, but if someone wants to show evidence that it's possible, I look forward to seeing it.

There are additional tests that can be done to cards or to mounted photos, but for most of them expense and possible damage to the item has to be considered. A good example is the infamous cdv that Saco auctioned, that was discussed here extensively. I was able to show that an albumen photo could be soaked off of a period mount and then reapplied to another, using the same glue from the original print, and leaving no evidence of tampering....other than water content in the item. Such a test would be worth conducting for a high-value item such as the aforementioned cdv, but not for less expensive items. Chemical testing for T206's is probably less-expensive of a test, but not worth doing for low-value items, unless someone knows something I don't, and that's very likely.