Ghost Overprints and Stone Lithography

steve B · #1 08-22-2014, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by drcy

I don't know that T206s are stone lithographs, but that's really just a mnor technicality because its merely a matter of what the printing plate was made out of (limestone versus metal). Doesn't change the printing process or theories. As noted transfer lithography, which involves an intermediary step, allowed an image to be backward or foreword. I suspect they originally introduced it so the original art could be made normal instead of backwards. The artists didn't have to draw in reverse left to right.

The exact cause of specific ghosts are a mystery to me, and different ghosts may be the result of different situations. But, between wet transfers and transfer printing, it's definitely possible to get the reversed images.

Have to admit the first time I saw a ghost my first reaction was it was fake because the image was reversed, but I have no reason to disbelieve it now.

The other reason for transfer lithography is that the paper is usually very slightly abrasive. Printing to the intermediate rubber roller reduces plate wear.
It's also usually a drier process than direct lithography.

Direct lithography is still used for art prints. Plate wear isn't usually a big deal if you're only doing a few hundred impressions (Or less) And a good manual printer can control the inking better especially if there's an area that's troublesome. Like the thin space between the frame lines of the Piedmont backs which are sometimes filled in because of the plate drying out a bit too much

Steve B

Jeffrompa · #2 08-22-2014, 09:53 PM

I don't know much about lithography either but that seems to be a big process to use both stone and metal for one sheet of cards .

steve B · #3 08-23-2014, 06:19 PM

It's not usually both in production. More modern stuff except art is always metal plates.

But metal plates were fairly new in 1909-10, And a lot was still done using stones as the plates. Figuring out which was used is very hard.

At the time a lot of the plates were laid out using transfers which were probably printed from stones. A lot of the stones that are still around have multiple items on them, like billheads from 3-4 different companies, or parts of labels from unrelated brands.

Steve B

1880nonsports · #4 08-24-2014, 09:42 AM

from my collection. Circa 1910's stone featuring tintags and believe it or not - images of Colgan's Chips containers. When they no longer used them - they sometimes would end up in fills and driveways! These later stones @ around 10" x 12" were easier to minipulate than the earlier ones - stones that were much "chunkier" and heavier. Utilizing multiple color passes would require multiple pressings - no easy task especially in lining up the correct scheme.

Jantz · #5 08-24-2014, 05:00 PM

Just curious if you bought that stone at one of the Cleveland Nationals (2007 or 2009)?

Looks like the same stone I had the chance to buy and passed on. Wish I hadn't.

Jantz

1880nonsports · #6 08-24-2014, 10:44 PM

think it was 2007. Think I bought it from my friend Glenn. Getting it home on the plane was bitch as they said it could be a weapon and couldn't go as carry-on. Besides the fear of it breaking - my cargo bag was already at the weight limit and my flight about to take off.
I'm probably going to have it placed in a sort of iron armature or brace so that it can be safely stood upright and maybe even swivel. Of course I had the same thought 7 years ago and although it's moved once or twice - it remains in the same state as when I bought it.
Reminds me of a quote I recently encountered here - Aesop - when all is said and done - more is said than done...

RayJay · #7 05-19-2015, 04:35 PM

ahhh 07

Bigb13 · #8 05-19-2015, 04:51 PM

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