Don't be surprised if..... (HOF debate!)

[jimivintage]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

But with the O's he didn't do much.....so was it Leo or was it the talent he had to work with? And by "work," I mean rock back and forth

Couldn't we say that about most managers though?

Joe Torre? He's in, but was it the budget and players that made him a HOFer?

For football, is it Tom Brady who put Bill Belichick on the map, or vise versa?

:P

I know what you're saying though.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by jimivintage

Couldn't we say that about most managers though?

Joe Torre? He's in, but was it the budget and players that made him a HOFer?


I know what you're saying though.

Totally agree and I hate that. Joe won exactly ONE Division crown and nothing else in the 15 years prior to NY. La Russa won with the guys the HOF is blackballing. Don't get me started....

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Totally agree and I hate that. Joe won exactly ONE Division crown and nothing else in the 15 years prior to NY. La Russa won with the guys the HOF is blackballing. Don't get me started....

Also Casey Stengel....