1960 Pittsburgh Pirates Championship Team Ball Opinions

[earlywynnfan]

stamped ball. Here's what to look for:

no maker stamp.
uniform pen pressure
none of the sigs touch, although they may run into the strings without any skipping (just try to do this!)

[soughtseven1035]

thanks guys, more opinions please. sorry i just want so much for this to be real. a guy who constantly sends in stuff to the PSA told me that he believes its real. why would he lie when he sells stuff like this for a living? he sends them into psa and pays big bucks for them to grade and he was very convincing in telling me because hes a huge pirates fan and this is what he told me:

"As far as I can tell it's real.
(I wouldn't have messed around for an obviously stamped one!) Generally, stamped signatures look flat.
There's no indentation, whereas a pen would leave one. More important, the ball is missing a key signature -- third baseman Don Hoak, a starter throughout the season and in all seven games of the Series.
No merchandiser would intentionally leave him off."

[MikeKam]

100% stamped, sorry.

[soughtseven1035]

i just tried going across seams with my signature and it didnt skip. i didnt even take my time. cmon guys someones gotta think its real

[MikeKam]

Originally Posted by soughtseven1035

i just tried going across seams with my signature and it didnt skip. i didnt even take my time. cmon guys someones gotta think its real

We've all been in that position where we want a forgery, reprint, or whatever to be real. It's not a hand signed ball, sorry.

[almostdone]

Another giveaway on a stamped ball is all the same shade of ink and the lines are the same thickness. Even if a team passed the ball and pen around to sign with different players would apply different pressure which would come out as thickness and shade of ink. Sorry to agree because I know had bad you want it be real but I'm going with the vote for a stamped facsimile ball. Sorry.
Drew

[soughtseven1035]

no big deal, i never get lucky enough to find something like this. i knew it was fake, i just wanted it to be real so badly. i just looked at some real signatures and yeah i can definitely tell its not real now. thanks for all the new tips though, it will help me down the road. you live you learn i guess

[soughtseven1035]

fwiw, why would this guy who sells autos and stuff lead me on and tell me he definitely thinks it is real? i mean this guy sold a real clemente signature item to another guy for over a grand already.

"Great Ball! I'm an old Pirate fan, so I think I can help out a bit.
THE GOOD NEWS IS THAT THE BALL IS ABSOLUTELY FROM 1960. THE KEY IS MICKEY VERNON WHO SIGNED TO PLAY ON SEPT 1 AND WAS RELEASED ON SEPT 30.
HE WAS A PIRATE COACH FOR THE ENTIRETY OF THE SEASON. HE WAS IN A PIRATE UNI ONLY IN 1960, AND HAD NO REASON TO BE SIGNING A PIRATE BALL EXCEPT IN 1960. ENJOY!!"

I mean this guy is a huge pirates fan. the part about the missing signature is a bit wierd. Why would a 1960's championship team souvenir ball leave out a signature of a guy who was a huge part of that team for the year? it makes no sense to me?

[Duluth Eskimo]

Stamp-o-Rama......

[Duluth Eskimo]

Just because you sell something doesn't make you an honorable seller. I can't believe you keep beating a dead horse. Give it up

[almostdone]

Originally Posted by soughtseven1035

. a guy who constantly sends in stuff to the PSA told me that he believes its real. why would he lie when he sells stuff like this for a living? he sends them into psa and pays big bucks for them to grade and he was very convincing

"As far as I can tell it's real.
(I wouldn't have messed around for an obviously stamped one!) Generally, stamped signatures look flat.
There's no indentation, whereas a pen would leave one. More important, the ball is missing a key signature -- third baseman Don Hoak, a starter throughout the season and in all seven games of the Series.
No merchandiser would intentionally leave him off."

Not to sound like a jerk but if this guy constantly sends in things to be graded and pay big buck to do so why wouldn't he do it with this ball. If it was me and I was convinced I would send it, get authentication on it and sell for a huge profit.
Me thinks he isn't being as honest as you would like him to be.
Drew

[soughtseven1035]

that is true, but don't you think he would tell me opposite to get a good price on it? i believe he would do it with this ball, but he puporsely said he wouldnt mess around with something that seemed obvious to him. he seems like a huge pirates fan. maybe this is a rare souvenir ball that left out the one name and there isnt many like it. its pretty apparent to all of you and others that it is stamped, but maybe its a rare stamp.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Or, maybe not

[soughtseven1035]

lol im done. thanks for the help guys! dont want to get in a fight with duluth on my first posting on this forum. id like to stick around.

[soughtseven1035]

to clear things up, i was trying to sell this ball to someone else, this guy who gave me the information was being friendly about what he thought about it. he wasnt trying to convince me, i was trying to find out if it was real from him.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Originally Posted by soughtseven1035

lol im done. thanks for the help guys! dont want to get in a fight with duluth on my first posting on this forum. id like to stick around.

No fight with me, just trying to convince you this is obvious to most. Good luck in the future. Jason

[parker1b2]

Originally Posted by earlywynnfan

stamped ball. Here's what to look for:

no maker stamp.
uniform pen pressure
none of the sigs touch, although they may run into the strings without any skipping (just try to do this!)

^^Yes this^^

Stamped souvenir ball