Mantle Ball - UDA vs PSA 9

[djson1]

Originally Posted by Clueless

Yes, normally it is a no brainer. However, would your opinion change if the UDA ball had minor toning and the PSA is mint graded? Would you ever choose a ball based on its better condition if it means 3rd party authenticated?

I would still pick the UDA ball. After reading about all the horror stories on here, I don't think I would ever even buy a Mantle ball without UDA, unless another company like Steiner did Mantle balls, which I don't think they did (somebody can correct me here). But I think the % of fake Mantle balls out there are just too high....I'd stick with something reliable like UDA.

Plus, recently I saw a bunch of Koufax balls authenticated by PSA and JSA and they were all bogus sigs. My confidence in their opinions is just getting worse and worse as the years go on.

[Fuddjcal]

Originally Posted by djson1

I would still pick the UDA ball. After reading about all the horror stories on here, I don't think I would ever even buy a Mantle ball without UDA, unless another company like Steiner did Mantle balls, which I don't think they did (somebody can correct me here). But I think the % of fake Mantle balls out there are just too high....I'd stick with something reliable like UDA.

Plus, recently I saw a bunch of Koufax balls authenticated by PSA and JSA and they were all bogus sigs. My confidence in their opinions is just getting worse and worse as the years go on.

Do the work yourself PERIOD. It doesn't make a rats ass of a difference. Just look at the stupid autograph for cryin out loud. 2 of the 3 I showed you don't have a thing on the ball. I did my own authentication and I don't care what any child like moron with a sticker or a stamps says. Do you have rocks for brains or just ADHD? or just a hard head? Just wondering? AND yes, Mantle fakes out weigh the real ones 10-1. They stand out like a sore thumb. If you can't tell the difference, maybe you should collect train sets

[djson1]

Originally Posted by Fuddjcal

Do the work yourself PERIOD. It doesn't make a rats ass of a difference. Just look at the stupid autograph for cryin out loud. 2 of the 3 I showed you don't have a thing on the ball. I did my own authentication and I don't care what any child like moron with a sticker or a stamps says. Do you have rocks for brains or just ADHD? or just a hard head? Just wondering? AND yes, Mantle fakes out weigh the real ones 10-1. They stand out like a sore thumb. If you can't tell the difference, maybe you should collect train sets

Were you specifically addressing this to me, Chuck, or were you speaking in generalities? Because if you were speaking to me directly, I don't understand what your problem is. Your choice of words and tone reflects pretty badly on yourself. And by the way, if you feel confident in your Mantle balls, that's fine, but for some of us who don't want to take that gamble on autographs that are highly targeted by expert forgers, we prefer not to be duped and can live without having a high percentage forged autograph, like a Mantle ball. I was just saying, if I'm in the market for a Mantle ball, I would definitely choose UDA over a TPA.

[w7imel]

Didnt mantle sign with ScoreBoard INC before UDA. Could have sworn Service merchindise and places like that sold them before he went to UDA

[shelly]

Originally Posted by w7imel

Didnt mantle sign with ScoreBoard INC before UDA. Could have sworn Service merchindise and places like that sold them before he went to UDA

Yes they did. Score Board was around long before UDA. The had a whole lot of people that went on to sign with UDA. AAron, Williams,Mantle, Montana to name a few.

[Clueless]

Originally Posted by djson1

I would still pick the UDA ball. After reading about all the horror stories on here, I don't think I would ever even buy a Mantle ball without UDA, unless another company like Steiner did Mantle balls, which I don't think they did (somebody can correct me here). But I think the % of fake Mantle balls out there are just too high....I'd stick with something reliable like UDA.

Plus, recently I saw a bunch of Koufax balls authenticated by PSA and JSA and they were all bogus sigs. My confidence in their opinions is just getting worse and worse as the years go on.

Thanks, jason. Would you ever purchase a Mantle ball based on your own evaluation of hiis sig? Or would you require a coa?

Also, on the Koufax balls, are you saying they were bogus based on your own evaluation or was this publicly acknowledged by psa?

Thanks, for sharing your thoughts!

[djson1]

Originally Posted by Clueless

Thanks, jason. Would you ever purchase a Mantle ball based on your own evaluation of hiis sig? Or would you require a coa?

Also, on the Koufax balls, are you saying they were bogus based on your own evaluation or was this publicly acknowledged by psa?

Thanks, for sharing your thoughts!

If I ever get to the point where I feel comfortable in determining authentic Mantles, I may purchase one. But I already have a few from the '80s that I got in person (photos), so, I think I'm good for now. Plus, I was never a big Mantle guy anyways.

Regarding the Koufax balls...I'm saying they were bogus based on my own evaluation. There are certain known forged or secretarials of Koufax and I've seen PSA and JSA certs on them quite often.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by djson1

If I ever get to the point where I feel comfortable in determining authentic Mantles, I may purchase one. But I already have a few from the '80s that I got in person (photos), so, I think I'm good for now. Plus, I was never a big Mantle guy anyways.

Regarding the Koufax balls...I'm saying they were bogus based on my own evaluation. There are certain known forged or secretarials of Koufax and I've seen PSA and JSA certs on them quite often.

Can you send me some scans of the balls you think are bad or put them on the net.

[djson1]

Originally Posted by shelly

Can you send me some scans of the balls you think are bad or put them on the net.

Here's one style that I see often offered on internet auctions. I know that some may think it was a rushed Koufax...but even if it IS a rushed signature, why would anybody buy it when there are so many better examples available? This one comes with a JSA cert.

https://pristineauction.com/a209548-...-JSA-ALOA.html