Ripped off by a James Spence lifetime guarantee

[shelly]

This all bull. Bottom line when Spence was Spence he authenticated a ball that has his life time guarantee on it. He is alive and well and worth a lot more now than then. If he did not know what he was doing in 1993 he should pay for his mistake. By not doing so it just proves what his word means. NOTHING

[Duluth Eskimo]

Well, he did pay for it. Maybe you should read a little closer too. You guys just don't get it. You guys are always right and never make mistakes, yet are always first to point out everyone else's mistakes. It's an opinion. If you don't like their opinion, don't use it.

[Runscott]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Well, he did pay for it. Maybe you should read a little closer too. You guys just don't get it. You guys are always right and never make mistakes, yet are always first to point out everyone else's mistakes. It's an opinion. If you don't like their opinion, don't use it.

Jason, that is beautifully written - your insight and logic in the above post is something that should be a model for anyone defending a TPA, or any other business with current or potential customers who question their product.

[cubsfan-budman]

He called JSA to get in touch with Spence (the JS in JSA). I mean, if you wanted to get in touch with James Spence, wouldn't you call JSA???

They wouldn't put him in touch with JS, so he caused a ruckus on the forums. Then suddenly JS is ready to talk? Sounds like Eric did the right thing.

And then JS did the right thing.

[khw]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Well, he did pay for it. Maybe you should read a little closer too. You guys just don't get it. You guys are always right and never make mistakes, yet are always first to point out everyone else's mistakes. It's an opinion. If you don't like their opinion, don't use it.

bingo , it is what drives 50% of the discussion on these boards , crusaders . spence could have done no right , it was a losing deal, and on top of it who knows what this guy is making up or telling the truth about , life with tpa is what it is , but what would life be like without tpa? well for one the guy who bought the stengel ball would be the proud owner still of the ball. people talk about all that is bad on ebay ? what if there was nobody to send it to ? not even to send it to, but be a option that will keep some people from listing? it would be the wild west , there is also a option for anybody here or any place else to get a office , print business cards and authenticate , but the difference will be their rears would be on the line and on hauls of shame and all that nonsense , vs chiming in on a message board on how they agree something is bad. oh yeah they goof a ton but i believe the percent is pretty low vs volume done . and it is a business and it is what people want . when psa/dna certs like 20000 pieces at the national i would think some folks are on board, well my soapbox is over , but going back to like line one the whole thing boils down to do not take any cert as gospel

[djson1]

Originally Posted by khw

bingo , it is what drives 50% of the discussion on these boards , crusaders . spence could have done no right , it was a losing deal, and on top of it who knows what this guy is making up or telling the truth about , life with tpa is what it is , but what would life be like without tpa? .... , but going back to like line one the whole thing boils down to do not take any cert as gospel

You may be right about some of the things you said. But there's nothing wrong with the "crusaders" that drive many of the discussions on here. At least there are folks out there that try to help the less-knowledgeable and give their opinions without collecting a dime. I agree that many of the TPAs and the authenticators are moving targets on here, but let's face it...they make a lot of money doing something that is questionable and many of the certs out there are VERY questionable on many items. So, I don't feel sorry for them. This hobby is full of the worst POS's there can be, and so many of the crusaders' methods can be pretty viscous when they attack somebody, but I think that's because many of us collectors have been burned at least several times in our past and everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

By the way, I think I have bought items from you before (mostly FDCs)...you have a great inventory!

[khw]

Originally Posted by djson1

You may be right about some of the things you said. But there's nothing wrong with the "crusaders" that drive many of the discussions on here. At least there are folks out there that try to help the less-knowledgeable and give their opinions without collecting a dime. I agree that many of the TPAs and the authenticators are moving targets on here, but let's face it...they make a lot of money doing something that is questionable and many of the certs out there are VERY questionable on many items. So, I don't feel sorry for them. This hobby is full of the worst POS's there can be, and so many of the crusaders' methods can be pretty viscous when they attack somebody, but I think that's because many of us collectors have been burned at least several times in our past and everyone is guilty until proven innocent.

By the way, I think I have bought items from you before (mostly FDCs)...you have a great inventory!

thanks i look forward to seeing you back email if you need anything , it is a slippery slope , for what the tpa miss and dont know i read here all the time and the opinions that people inject are way worse, in my opinion, for example i read a thread on wayne stivers and how all chimed in what a good guy and good stuff he had and on and on , and anybody who knows anything about this stuff , i mean pre psa jsa or whatever knows if he had a good autograph it may have been by accident. so all chime in and say if it has his cert it is good as gold , this is way more dangerous than people think. i just had to say something then some guys who actually know said yeah his stuff was bogus . if people would just try and learn some of this stuff on their own , use some common sense , use known tpa examples , google stuff , start a file of signatures , people do not see what jsa and psa/dna have when they cert stuff , both have a file with hundreds or more of almost anybody ranked in year order they have clubhouse exemplars , wives , secretarials , fakes . that alone is way more than 99.99% of anybody including me can pull out when offering a opinion, yes they get paid but until you sit around and watch lets say jsa cert stuff people have no clue , sure they thumb through bench seaver unitas etc, you throw in roger maris it is looked at to make sure it is live ink, photograhed and sent to at least 3 people and scored , then it still has to pass big jim , if they are wrong after that then it is wrong. something special fails and it is photographed and added to a file , and this is why these boards can be dangerous on this subject because most people have no clue coming here asking stuff and they just see what a trainwreck all the tpa are , and that wayne stivers certs are a gold mine and never even make a effort to understand what they are buying , heck that should be one of the finer points of their hobby , bottom line know what you are buying and selling and stop just falling back on certs

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by khw

...the whole thing boils down to do not take any cert as gospel

Wow! What a rant. "Imagine the hobby w/o TPAs! What would we do? OMG, who would we send things to? Who would protect us? Who would save us? And, besides, they do a fine job.

But, remember... no matter what they say, you can't really believe it."

LOL

[EricS]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Well, he did pay for it. Maybe you should read a little closer too. You guys just don't get it. You guys are always right and never make mistakes, yet are always first to point out everyone else's mistakes. It's an opinion. If you don't like their opinion, don't use it.

No, I'm just not an "expert." He didn't have to put a lifetime guarantee on it originally. He believed in his opinion enough to do so.

And I did contact the place where James Spence works to talk to him about this ball and was told that since I did not submit the ball when it got rejected, they would not talk to me.

[shelly]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

Well, he did pay for it. Maybe you should read a little closer too. You guys just don't get it. You guys are always right and never make mistakes, yet are always first to point out everyone else's mistakes. It's an opinion. If you don't like their opinion, don't use it.

Yes, after he was forced into doing it. Twiter, Espn, other blogs and on here. There are times when you just have to do the right thing at the right time. He did not do that. Trust me there is not a person on this site that hasn't made mistakes when it comes to authenticateing. We at least admit it.

[khw]

Originally Posted by shelly

Yes, after he was forced into doing it. Twiter, Espn, other blogs and on here. There are times when you just have to do the right thing at the right time. He did not do that. Trust me there is not a person on this site that hasn't made mistakes when it comes to authenticateing. We at least admit it.

heck i have so much crap i bought a auction lot of postcards and sent a bench to psa/dna looked fine to me , came back in a holder and next day get a email it is a preprinted job , just happened i hope nobody here thinks i was out to get them , just didnt pay attention and neither did psa/dna , ended it and move on and add that to the watch list

[JimStinson]

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[Duluth Eskimo]

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This is RICH Jim. Coming from someone who knows autographs and hooked up with Jimmy Spence and others to form PSA/DNA authentication. TPA's are no good for anyone, but it was OK for you in the past when you weregetting paid. Come on. Kirk and I are drinking the Kool-Aid. That's a good one. I could give one flying fuck what happens to Jimmy Spence truthfully, I am giving my truthful opinion about the situation. As was Kirk. You don't even give your opinion anymore, you just come in and accuse us of drinking the Kool-aid.

And for the others on here, maybe they have something against TPA's for another reason. I believe someone got their dick slammed in the door (or cell door) with the assistance of third party authentication. Without an expert, am I supposed to believe that these people knowingly selling forgeries (making tons of cash) would have just stopped because they felt bad and turned over a new leaf. HELL NO!!!! Without people attempting to clean things up a little, guppies that swim in the deep end would have collections full of garbage. Probably me included. Although, I guess they / I still do if we happen to do business with anyone but Jim Stinson. Short of that, everyone is an idiot and cannot have a differing opinion.

I'm SO tired of the "I got robbed by an object that came with PSA or JSA authentication" line of shit. Oh, whoa is me and my 1927 Yankees ball. I thought you were so fucking smart and the only preeminent Ruth and Gehrig expert in the hobby. How did you ever make a mistake as you see everything like it's yesterday's news. It should have been a glaring red flag like all the other stuff you look at and act like everyone should know better when they ask about a Ruth signature opinion.


He called JSA to get in touch with Spence (the JS in JSA). I mean, if you wanted to get in touch with James Spence, wouldn't you call JSA???

They wouldn't put him in touch with JS, so he caused a ruckus on the forums. Then suddenly JS is ready to talk? Sounds like Eric did the right thing.

In regards to the OP, nowhere in your post did you say you asked to speak with Jimmy Spence and were denied. You mention that you spoke with someone there that would not help or refund your money. If you mentioned that in one of your other many blogs about being ripped off, than I am mistaken. Bottom line, you got your money back and everything worked out hunky dory.

BTW, I see some cry baby made Kirk add his name to his post because it must have been too inflammatory. Oh boy!

ALL YOU CAN SAY WHATEVER YOU WANT, I AM GIVING AN HONEST OPINION GIVEN THE SITUATION. I DON'T HAVE TO PUT OTHER PEOPLE DOWN TO MAKE MYSELF FEEL BETTER OR MAKE MY COLLECTION SEEM BETTER.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

I'm SO tired of the "I got robbed by an object that came with PSA or JSA authentication" line of shit. Oh, whoa is me and my 1927 Yankees ball. I thought you were so fucking smart and the only preeminent Ruth and Gehrig expert in the hobby. How did you ever make a mistake as you see everything like it's yesterday's news. It should have been a glaring red flag like all the other stuff you look at and act like everyone should know better when they ask about a Ruth signature opinion.

If you're referring to me, you don't know what the f**k you're talking about. From the very beginning I made it perfectly clear that I bought that baseball because I thought it was real, not because it had a Spence CoA.

Some people ask for my opinion because they think my opinion has some value. It may or it may not, but I always try to help, and I never belittle the person asking.

So, Jason, you can kiss my ass.