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09-23-2014, 08:48 PM
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Definition: 'T206 Printer Scrap' 1: Any card that when 'new' was messed up enough that it should never have been put in a pack of cigarettes; 2: Any piece of cardboard that gives Johnny wood.
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$co++ Forre$+ Last edited by Runscott; 09-23-2014 at 08:51 PM. 
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09-23-2014, 10:33 PM
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6000 pos feedback in past 30 days!
What I also find mind boggling is that the seller has almost 6000 positive feedbacks in the past 30 days!?!?!?!?
 I find it tough to ship 30 items in a week let alone 200 in a DAY?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? 7 days a week, 30 days a month, 200 per day?!?!?!?!? That is cool. peace, mike
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09-24-2014, 10:31 AM
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Is the green overlay printing the giveaway?
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http://www.collectorfocus.com/collection/schneids Last edited by The Nasty Nati; 09-24-2014 at 10:33 AM.
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09-24-2014, 02:48 PM
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Hello all....some clarity on differentiating a "scrap"
T206 scrap are very rare, but can be spotted a mile away(the obvious ones like this)......I am obsessed with them and can pick them out of a line up of 1000's (maybe literally millions)of T206....my eye has become "trained" to spot them after 15 + years of hunting......
T206 printer's scrap..... little "clues" to the T206 lithographic printing process( a very intricate and artful style of printing using multiple layers)...  scrap have many distinguishing characteristics.....and have become century old "chase" cards if you will.... they are not even T206 technically.....they are "alternative" T206 if you will....a T206 "by product" of the litho process.......they are unique one-- of- a- kinds created by accidently by the printer.....a pearl in an oyster  ......unique "snow flakes" accidentally created by the printers of these cards...I LOVE bottom "dipping" border like on the right bottom side.....not a dead give away, but a nice scrap characteristic commonly found on these.....Printer's scraps were "scrap" sheets used by the printers at ATC to set the presses up....in 1909-1911 .....they were sheets that had mistakes on them already(wrong color, no advertisement, off registration, mis- aligned, misfed, miscut, double struck, wrong ink, ect,ect) instead of wasting perfectly good sheets to reduce costs......so when the printer screwed up a sheet, they tossed them aside in a "scrap" pile......these "garbage" sheets set aside were then used as "scrap" cardboard to set up the presses for printing other T206 or other issues printed in the ATC building in New York during this time frame(1909-1911).... printer fills the ink wells, or adjusts the stones, or feeds cardboard in to test for correct adjustments.....printer grabs a "garbage" sheet to see if the registration is correct or enough ink is in the wells or whatever..... he sends the "garbage" sheet through the press to see if everything looks good before printing on fresh cardboard....(this is where the magic happens )....the printer uses the sheet once, tosses back in the pile....that particular sheet may have had 1 additional strike on it(creating a ghost image, double ad, ect)...some garbage sheets were used multiple times , hence , creating "multiple" strikes of either the player, the ad, or both....the possibilities are simply endless!! after the sheets were used for this purpose, they were thrown away....either people recovered them from the trash, or the printers may have taken them home for there kids to play with ect.....the cards were then hand cut by whoever and there your scrap is born..... each sheet becomes unique and has sister cards on them....these little puzzle pieces can be put back together sometimes to "re create" parts of original sheets....usually, the "weirder" more dramatic" ones get the most attention and big big bux.....but don't kid yourselves, this Marshall is no small card.... let's dissect a fairly easy scrap like this is to determine- first clue- 1)SUPER FAT ASS BORDER(left front) ....unusual fatness in left front border..sick fatness...because when most of these scraps were cut from the scrap sheet, the person cutting them usually didn't take great care in sizing them up(altho some scrap are trimmed ultra neat, prob even re- trimmed at another date)....but if you look very very close above his beltline, that section left to right should far over measure the standard dimension of 1 7/16" ....id say at least a 1/16-1/8 inch wide by my eye from the scan.....altho some T206 were factory cut oversize, this definitely is NOT the case with this card..... 2)UNUSUAL HAND CUT (all around card) ....if this card measured oversize all around, then that would be a dead give away that it wasn't a factory cut card, or even trimmed from the factory....this card may measure short in the other dimensions, but has the "scrap" hand cut of "erratic" borders.....excellent.... 3) Skewed Back Ad extremely common on scrap(especially the pied 350's)....check out the "tilt" of the back Ad, in retro to the obverse  4) DEAD GIVE AWAY....THE 100 % determining factor that this card is an 100% authentic scrap- GREEN OVERPRINT BACK GROUND OF HUNTER ON FRONT- the crème da la crème....this is no wst boys....the real deal there.....printer was setting up various colors in the print run....that green cut out of hunter is the icing on the cake... thanks to our resident experts who figure this stuff out in minutes!!!(Jantz, Erick, Chris, Tim and the rest of you I call on and you know who you are ).....Damn I want this card
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09-24-2014, 03:27 PM
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I personally think scrap is crap, but your enthusiasm for (s)crap is absolutely infectious! After reading your post, I almost want one for my own collection.
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... http://imageevent.com/derekgranger Working on the following: HOF "Earliest" Collection (Ideal - Indiv): 250/346 (72.3%) 1914 T330-2 Piedmont Art Stamps......: 116/119 (97.5%) Completed: 1911 T332 Helmar Stamps (180/180) 1923 V100 Willard's Chocolate (180/180)
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09-24-2014, 03:44 PM
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I love sellers with no idea of what they are selling...
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09-24-2014, 04:11 PM
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Derek....
and the rest...
thanks.... years ago....these scraps were actually perceived to be "crap" or "garbage"... ironically, that's what they actually were over a hundred years ago literally... I remember 10 or 12 years ago where you might get a blank back in the $300.00 range.....collectors had no idea! 12 years ago,you could pick up a sweet cap fact 30 no overprint yellow/brown scrap in the $200.00 .. range... collectors hadn't even really realized how rare these damn things are! and pretty cool
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09-25-2014, 05:06 PM
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09-25-2014, 08:19 PM
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Dustin....
you would have to own/ hold one to understand..... it is a piece of printing history of one of the most ever iconic sets ever produced.... a puzzle piece to decipher a mysterious set still unlocking mysteries for over a hundred years...
new discoveries about the set pop up like this occasionally....the rarity alone is amazing, forget about the uniqueness... These "doodles" are the farthest thing from that.....they are print set up sheets .....the set up allows us to peer into the litho process that some of our resident experts here have been researching for decades.... like finding fossils if you will... might be beyond your scope
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09-25-2014, 08:40 PM
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"Chicago Cubs fans are 90% scar tissue". -GFW Last edited by Tao_Moko; 09-26-2014 at 05:52 AM.
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09-27-2014, 01:18 PM
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