Are Derek Jeter Collectors Crazy?

[packs]

Originally Posted by David Atkatz

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/0...types=og.likes

There is a difference between being a great player and the greatest player. Reducing his career to him being a so-so good player is bizarre.
Olberman's arguments about him not leading the league in categories or leading the Yankees has no place in the discussion. Why? Because it ignores the fact that Jeter played shortstop, the premier position on the field and a position that sees constant turn over. Except in the 20 years he stood there. Nomar, Arod, Tejada, where are they? What are their legacies? You can find Jeter at short.

I also don't really like that Olberman picks and chooses his stats. He says Jeter's offense was lacking but doesn't say anything about how Jeter is 20th all time in offensive WAR. Ahead of players like Jimmie Foxx, Griffey and Albert Pujols.

His defensive metrics are way off base too. The key to being a great shortstop and not just a good one for a little while is staying on the field. Jeter is 2nd all time in games played at the position.

Olberman has an agenda. He doesn't like Derek Jeter for some reason. I don't know what the reason is, but I'm sure it's not a good one.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by packs

Jeter is 2nd all time in games played at the position..

Yeah. And how many runs has that cost the Yankees?

[packs]

Well it won them 5 titles.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by packs

Well it won them 5 titles.

All by himself, huh? They stopped winning when the '98 core was gone. Jeter was still at short, but the WS trophies were no longer in NY.

[packs]

Probably should have traded him then. Mariano too.

[David Atkatz]

Originally Posted by packs

Probably should have traded him then. Mariano too.

Wouldn't have made any difference. Losing is losing.

[packs]

Only hit 308 in the postseason and a scrubish 20 homers. Dragging everyone down.

[btcarfagno]

I hope they are crazy. I have a pair of game worn items that I wouldn't mind selling.

Tom C

[Gary Dunaier]

I watched the game on TV and in the bottom of the 5th inning, Jeter hit a foul ball to the third base side, retrieved by the ballboy. Instead of tossing it into the crowd, he held on to it, reached into his back pocket, and gave another ball to a kid in the stands. (In the screen capture below, the ballboy has the ball Jeter fouled in his glove, and is reaching into his back pocket for another baseball.). The cameras cut back to gameplay and didn't show what the ballboy did with the ball (thank goodness for mlb.tv, there's no way I would have remembered any of this myself!), but I presume it was specifically put aside with other Jeter-related balls to be authenticated and then go to Steiner for sale.

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by Gary Dunaier

I watched the game on TV and in the bottom of the 5th inning, Jeter hit a foul ball to the third base side, retrieved by the ballboy. Instead of tossing it into the crowd, he held on to it, reached into his back pocket, and gave another ball to a kid in the stands. (In the screen capture below, the ballboy has the ball Jeter fouled in his glove, and is reaching into his back pocket for another baseball.). The cameras cut back to gameplay and didn't show what the ballboy did with the ball (thank goodness for mlb.tv, there's no way I would have remembered any of this myself!), but I presume it was specifically put aside with other Jeter-related balls to be authenticated and then go to Steiner for sale.

How creepy and contrived is that!!

Man, now I REALLY want a piece of all this Steiner/Jeter memorabilia.
Wait, maybe I should wait for the Jeter signed broomsticks. THAT would be cool!

[bnorth]

Originally Posted by Gary Dunaier

I watched the game on TV and in the bottom of the 5th inning, Jeter hit a foul ball to the third base side, retrieved by the ballboy. Instead of tossing it into the crowd, he held on to it, reached into his back pocket, and gave another ball to a kid in the stands. (In the screen capture below, the ballboy has the ball Jeter fouled in his glove, and is reaching into his back pocket for another baseball.). The cameras cut back to gameplay and didn't show what the ballboy did with the ball (thank goodness for mlb.tv, there's no way I would have remembered any of this myself!), but I presume it was specifically put aside with other Jeter-related balls to be authenticated and then go to Steiner for sale.

I noticed that also, I figured the ball boy was going to keep it for himself.

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by bnorth

I figured the ball boy was going to keep it for himself.

I don't think ballboys are allowed to keep the baseballs they retrieve.

I was also surprised to see the ballboy give the kid ANY ball. I make no claims to being expert on the subject, but a few times over the years I casually noticed that while players and coaches did toss "dead" balls into the stands, ballboys generally put them aside. Had this ballboy not given the kid a ball, I wouldn't have thought anything about the Jeter foul ball being retained.

[packs]

I don't know about today, but I've seen some baseballs in the past that have come from ball boy collections.