JSA, really?! Come on

Deertick · #1 10-04-2014, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjim

How could anyone certify this auto? I just shake my head at stuff like this. I don't care if Koufax was surrounded by a mob of people, there is no way this should have been authenticated.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SANDY-KOUFAX...item1e929c5611

Yet on the flip side, we have howls of incompetence when they fail someones IP submission......

jimjim · #2 10-04-2014, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Deertick

Yet on the flip side, we have howls of incompetence when they fail someones IP submission......

If you got a sig IP then what is the point of sending it to a TPA? I guess if you are trying to sell it? That is the only thing I can think of. Am I missing something?

Lordstan · #3 10-04-2014, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Deertick

Yet on the flip side, we have howls of incompetence when they fail someones IP submission......

Here is the problem. Many in the world take their "opinion" as truth. Because of that anything they cert as good is considered good regardless of whether it is or not. I would much rather have them fail or give a "no opinion" result on IP submissions that they really can't tell vs passing things that don't look correct.
The IP graphers know that there are all sorts of variables that can go wrong while someone is signing. If they are graphing to resell, it is a risk of the business that they must accept. If they are graphing for their own collection the TPA shouldn't matter.
It isn't the TPAs responsibility to the submitters to pass things. Their purported purpose is to objectively evaluate whether an autograph was signed by a specific person. Let's face it, how many here have been offered a Ruth auto that they swear was gotten IP by their grandfather with 99% being fake?
Pretty much all of the issues with the TPAs that get brought up here revolve around things they passed that were bad as opposed to the opposite situation. I would think that any person offering opinions would err on the side of caution.

shelly · #4 10-04-2014, 11:54 AM

Bottom line. Until you see Koufax sign like that over and over again you do not authenticate it based on a guess. Those of you that keep defending them will wake up one day with a pile of crap. The tpa is no better that you when it comes down to an autograph like this. It is a crap shoot

RichardSimon · #5 10-04-2014, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Lordstan

Let's face it, how many here have been offered a Ruth auto that they swear was gotten IP by their grandfather with 99% being fake?

I have even had people offer me facsimile baseballs that they swear were gotten in person.

jimjim · #6 10-04-2014, 12:06 PM

My other main issue with this is that this opens up the door for all the scammers out there to submit their IP Koufax to TPA. If they authenticate one then they most likely will do them all. Has anyone noticed the influx of ugly looking IP Koufax autos on eBay right now. I don't think that is a coincidence. And a bunch of people are buying them because they come with a TPA, and they are getting ripped off.

Specifically for Koufax. If it is signed on a Selig OMLB, it should have either UDA or Online Authentics COA to be 100% real, if you didn't get it IP. Otherwise you are gambling and his auto isn't cheap.

khw · #7 10-04-2014, 03:05 PM

i think the title should be "sandy, really come on" , because there is nothing wrong with this signature , it is real , but nothing more than a chance to take a swipe at a tpa , when it is apparent who doesnt have a clue what something should look like, to me this seems to go the other way that somebody needs a tpa to help them because they dont have a clue and a tpa is better than nothing

jimjim · #8 10-04-2014, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by khw

i think the title should be "sandy, really come on" , because there is nothing wrong with this signature , it is real , but nothing more than a chance to take a swipe at a tpa , when it is apparent who doesnt have a clue what something should look like, to me this seems to go the other way that somebody needs a tpa to help them because they dont have a clue and a tpa is better than nothing

Sorry, but I 100% disagree with you, as this autograph is a horrible example of a Koufax autograph. It might be real, but it shouldn't have passed a TPA.

As I mentioned before, there are a ton of sloppy Koufax autos on eBay right now. There is NO WAY he signed this many autos at spring training. I was there, and It didn't happen.

packs · #9 10-04-2014, 04:14 PM

When I was at spring training he lined everyone up and signed for a pretty long time whenever he decided to sign. I must have seen at least a hundred people go through the line the days I was there. He signed a lot of stuff.

Runscott · #10 10-04-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by khw

i think the title should be "sandy, really come on" , because there is nothing wrong with this signature , it is real , but nothing more than a chance to take a swipe at a tpa ,

People are just giving their opinions. If you don't like seeing negative things posted about TPA's, you should be part of the process of getting them to improve.

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Originally Posted by khw

when it is apparent who doesnt have a clue what something should look like, to me this seems to go the other way that somebody needs a tpa to help them because they dont have a clue and a tpa is better than nothing

That 'somebody' seems to be you.

shelly · #11 10-04-2014, 08:17 PM

Kirk, are you a relative to any of the Spence family?