�the Wagner� of postcards

calvindog · #1 10-14-2014, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Interesting, and great to see these wonderful postcards, but I don't get the analogy. IMO, there's not such thing as a "Wagner of postcards," since the circumstances of issue and collecting between T-206s and postcards are so different. To me it's like saying, "What's the Wagner of pennants, or pins, etc." There is no Wagner of those, or of postcards, either. But maybe this is just the contrarian in me.

I think the OP surely recognizes that but simply asks what is the holy grail of postcard collecting?

Econteachert205 · #2 10-14-2014, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I think the OP surely recognizes that but simply asks what is the holy grail of postcard collecting?

Exactly, To say the Wagner is the holy grail of card collecting is equally as dubious given that the Wagner does not give eternal life, clearly exists and never appeared in an Indiana Jones Movie.

terjung · #3 10-14-2014, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Econteachert205

Exactly, To say the Wagner is the holy grail of card collecting is equally as dubious given that the Wagner does not give eternal life, clearly exists and never appeared in an Indiana Jones Movie.

"I told him we already got one!"

FWIW, my vote would be for the Ruth team shot with Boston.

Exhibitman · #4 10-14-2014, 12:20 PM

Yeah, those Pebble Beach cards are pretty wicked too. I've only seen one DiMaggio in person in 30+ years of collecting. I have seen two O'Douls, and got one for myself at the 2006 National in Anaheim:

Bicem · #5 10-14-2014, 12:24 PM

Mona Lisa of postcards?

Plus, I had to reference t206 in some capacity to even get people to look at the thread.

benchod · #6 10-14-2014, 04:34 PM

Meh
Great thread but I don't like the choices,
Any Rose pc: No! Big green with tiny head shot. fugly. Rather have a W600 with a better photo any day of the week
Any Joe Jackson: No! If he doesn't get banned he's basically George Sisler WITHOUT the 2 batting crowns
Ruth Redsox postcard: great card but a team shot. Unfortunately the Babe doesn't have great individual pc's like Cobb
Cobb probably has the best pc's and my grails are the Seamless Steel, The Detroit Free Press Cobb that Jeff showed, The Hubel Cobb which Jeff didn't show, the American League Publishing Cobb which Jeff didn't show, and your Underwood Matty. Could add the American League pub Wagner for good measure.

atx840 · #7 10-14-2014, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by benchod

Any Rose pc: No! Big green with tiny head shot. fugly.

The Prince thinks otherwise

not my card

calvindog · #8 10-14-2014, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by atx840

The Prince thinks otherwise

not my card

Mercy

Hankphenom · #9 10-15-2014, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by calvindog

I think the OP surely recognizes that but simply asks what is the holy grail of postcard collecting?

OK, but that's an entirely different question from the one asked. What's the point of asking to make an analogy if it's assumed one doesn't exist? Obviously, the answers are all to a different question, such as "What's the greatest PC?," or "What's your favorite PC?" or, as you put it, "What's the holy grail of PCs?" And that's fine, I sure like looking at all these great postcards. Don't mind me for pointing out a fallacy in the question, as I said that's just me nitpicking. Please continue on.

Bicem · #10 10-15-2014, 02:37 PM

Confused... why can't there be a Wagner (most iconic, desirable, valuable, etc) in the postcard collecting world?

packs · #11 10-15-2014, 02:47 PM

Well I think what he's saying is that the Wagner is a rarity because it was a scarcely manufactured card in a larger set that for the most part was manufactured in relatively equal numbers.

So for a true "Wagner" a postcard would need to be a set rarity if we're saying apples to apples.

Bicem · #12 10-15-2014, 02:49 PM

ah gotcha, jeez so literal.

LincolnVT · #13 10-15-2014, 03:12 PM

I guess this is one of my favorite cards...and yes, I voted for it.

Hankphenom · #14 10-15-2014, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bicem

ah gotcha, jeez so literal.

Well, the way I see it, if you ask for an answer and it doesn't exist, then you're going to get something else. When you say "The Wagner" of something, you're talking about the most iconic, of course, and I think everyone here would agree there is no one iconic PC a la the Wagner in cards. So what, then, are people voting for and putting forth candidates for? The rarest, coolest, favorite, etc, postcard? I honestly don't know, and that's what I was wondering about. But, as I said before, don't stop the fun!

Hankphenom · #15 10-15-2014, 05:22 PM

One last thing, and I hope this explains what I'm trying to say. When I looked at the list, and thought about voting, I was confused about what I would be voting for. I suspect most people are voting for their favorite among the group, and that's entirely different from choosing "a Wagner." That's all.

ullmandds · #16 10-15-2014, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

Well I think what he's saying is that the Wagner is a rarity because it was a scarcely manufactured card in a larger set that for the most part was manufactured in relatively equal numbers.

So for a true "Wagner" a postcard would need to be a set rarity if we're saying apples to apples.

If this is the criteria...then this be the Honus Wagner of postcard collecting!

Exhibitman · #17 10-16-2014, 09:42 AM

One of more interesting aspects of PC collecting to me is that they were so prevalent in documenting the amateur, semi-pro, Negro League, and minor league parts of baseball, and so much else in American culture and sport. The images can be quite compelling:

h2oya311 · #18 10-16-2014, 12:30 PM

I agree with others that one of the Cobb PCs would be the logical choice for the most "iconic" postcard. Unfortunately, I don't think there is one that every postcard collector simply "must have". I love postcards, and I especially love postcards depicting minor league players before they became HOF icons. Here are a few of mine, but I wouldn't consider any of these the "holy grail" of PC collecting (although I am mighty fond of the Campy):

> 1909 Dave Bancroft w/ Superior
> 1943 Roy Campanella w/ Monterrey
> 1943 Ray Dandridge w/ Veracruz
> 1914 Spokane Team w/ George Kelly & Stan Coveleski
> 1908 Little Rock Travelers Team w/ Tris Speaker
> 1909 KC Red Sox Team w/ Casey Stengel
> 1937 San Diego Padres Team w/ Ted Williams
> 1922 Martinsburg Blue Sox Team w/ Hack Wilson
> 1907 St. Mary's College w/ Harry Hooper and Hal Chase

I also like these two:

> 1915 Denison Railroaders Team w/ Rogers Hornsby
> c1905 Ty Cobb w/ George Parquette (guess which one is Cobb)

I also have minor league team PC's of B. McKechnie, S. Coveleski, G. Weiss, and D. Vance, among others. But the most iconic of them all you ask? Well obvioulsy, it's got to be the c1940 RPPC of the future president of the National League and HOF executive, Warren Giles:

View Poll Results: Which do you consider to be �the Wagner� of postcards? (excluding autos/Negro League)
1907 Seamless Steel Tubes Ty Cobb	18	10.65%
1908 Rose Co. Ty Cobb	19	11.24%
1908 Rose Co. Honus Wagner	10	5.92%
c1908 Greenville Joe Jackson	46	27.22%
c1909 Weiser Wonder Walter Johnson	17	10.06%
1915 RPPC Boston Red Sox w/ Ruth	40	23.67%
Other (please list)	19	11.24%
Voters: 169. You may not vote on this poll

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