Its as Plain as the Nose on your Face-the Ear Thing isn't Gospel

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by Directly

Dave, thanks again for your valued input.

(Sorry I had cropped my Dubuque photo)

The baseball team Cabinet photograph is stamped "DUBUQUE"---"H.A. Jordan" "Artist"

#1) Fact: This establishes without question the location of the photo being Dubuque.

#2) H.A. Jordan -(Artist)-Dubuque Photographer (date range) Per research by the Center for Dubuque History. Loras College, Dubuque,Iowa

Quote: Director/Locas College, Dubuque Iowa: ---" Indeed the first listing of H.A. Jordan Photographer, appears for the first time in the 1881 Dubuque City Directory. We find his name in the city Directories up to and including 1890 when he disappears from the listings."
( Most business requires some start-up time, so its feasible the Jordan's Studio opened earlier?)

I also believe during 1882 Comiskey played baseball between both Dubuque & Chicago.

The uniform question: I can only point out it appears Mr. Jordan high-lighted a "Star" on Reis's baseball hat. This to me is significant.

I still believe to have a very good case!--Thanks again!

Finally!!
You answered a question Directly and to the point without any extra nonsense.
So now, I think we can feel pretty confident about the Dubuque location.

The next question is what proof do you have that the players are all on the same team. I count at least 6 different uniforms.
Uniform 1 - Front row left end.
Uniform 2 - Front row second from left. (Different shirt and belt style)
Uniform 3 - Back left and back 3rd from left. (Same star on chest)
Uniform 4 - Back 2nd from left (Different buttons and no star on uniform)
Uniform 5 - Front right end.
Uniform 6 - Front second from right (Notice belt is different from guy on end)
I can't make out the 2 players in the back row on the right well enough to say for sure if their uniforms match anyone else.

It seems to be highly unlikely that they would pose for a team photo in that many different uniforms, especially since the other composite shows that the team had really nice uniforms with name "Dubuque" displayed boldly across the chest plate. So why would they take a team photo with so many different uniforms? I don't believe they would. It follows that if they are not all on the same team, then it can't be a team photo of the Dubuque Rabbits. If it isn't the Rabbits then why would Comiskey be in this photo? Obviously, he would have no reason to.

Also, please stop identifying players by names they clearly aren't. In post 97 of this thread Mark showed pictures of the real Reis in comparison for the guy you're calling Reis. None of the facial features come anywhere close. The ears, nose, jaw line, lips, and overall head shape don't match even remotely.

[Directly]

Thanks to the Net 54 forums opinions and recommendations is why I revised my photo to highlight only one baseball player, Comiskey.

Comiskey being the main common denominator within those four years (1878-1881).

Comiskey teamed up with many different baseball players and teams in those four years.

In 1878 Comiskey joined a dozen amateurs and pros to try to make the Ted Sullivan team, players as Bill O'Rourke, Tom Burns, Frank Byrne, Will Phelan and Tom Cooney, Jeff Dolan, Spike Brady, and Farrell

Some other team mates named in those years --John Troy, Charles Eden, John O'connor and E.C. Kent.

***Another example the 1880 Dubuque "Easterns" Comiskey played 1st base for the "Easterns" against the "Westerns" baseball team comprised of a "mixture of professional & amateur athletes".***

In 1881 the team roster Comiskey was the player manager along with Sullivan, Phelan, Lear, Brown and Loftus, Ross, Burns and
Morrison.

I believe the Comiskey image in the 1887 Dubuque is the same player as in my 1878-1881 Dubuque photograph.

Time will only tell, be it twenty years from now--thanks again!

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Directly

Thanks to the Net 54 forums opinions and recommendations is why I revised my photo to highlight only one baseball player, Comiskey.

So, did you send corrections to The Comiskey family, HoF, SABR, Charlie Sheen, The Smithsonian, The Dubuque Telegraph-Herald and Sports Collectors Digest?

[Scott Garner]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

So, did you send corrections to The Comiskey family, HoF, SABR, Charlie Sheen, The Smithsonian, The Dubuque Telegraph-Herald and Sports Collectors Digest?

[Directly]

Originally Posted by bmarlowe1

So, did you send corrections to The Comiskey family, HoF, SABR, Charlie Sheen, The Smithsonian, The Dubuque Telegraph-Herald and Sports Collectors Digest?

yes, I will----but will pass on Charlie Sheen--

[Scott Garner]

Wow...

[Directly]

*********Research********

("A studious inquiry or examination especially investigation or experimentation aimed at the discovery and interpretation of
facts, revision of accepted theories or laws in the light of new facts, or practical applications of such new laws or revised
Theories or laws.")


(1878-1881)


1878-Comiskey joined with over a dozen Amateurs and Pro's who'd converged on Dubuque to try out for Ted Sullivans team.

!878-The team was an Independent franchise.

1878-The local Dubuque club was reportedly known as the Rabbits, but this name was seldom used by local sportswriters.

1879-Ted Sullivan and loftus opened a "Baseball Headquarters" named Baseball Emporium located at 530 Main Street, selling baseball equipment, a billiard parlor and cigar shop. This was a great place to run into members of a team and space was allocated for opposing teams to coordinate their efforts.


( 1880-81-The H.A. Jordan Photographer Dubuque Studio was in business located at 5th and Main )


1879-There was a massive player overhaul, Comiskey being the only player from the 1878 Dubuque team to make the 1879 club.

1879-The Dubuque team ordered their Dubuque Uniforms from the Spalding Co. Sullivans aggregation won the championship but proved a financial failure, and the manager decided a free lance combination would be less risky, and in 1880 the Semi-Professional team Dubuque Rabbits succeeded the title holders.

1880-***( Comiskey was without a team)*** Sullivan, Reis, and Loftus were the only players from the 1879 team to make the 1880 Dubuque team. Newcomers included John Troy, O'Connor,E.C Kent. This 1880 Dubuque Reds team as referred to by the press was disbanded July of 1880.

1880-- July 24th Comiskey returned to the field of baseball as first base and Ted Sullivan at short stop for the Easterns against the Westerns, a mixture of amateurs and Pros athletes.

1881 --During the spring of 1881 another attempt was to revive the sport and Comiskey was elected player manager. He was surrounded by names as Phelan, Lean. Brown, Leary and Loftus.

1881-During the summer of 1881 Ted Sullivan had been invited to bring his Rabbits to St Louis for a game against the St Louis Browns which were found Comiskey's old team mates, Jack and Bill Gleason. (The Rabbits uniforms told looked very similar to white pajamas)

1881--December Comiskey signs with the St Louis Browns for the 1882 season.

I would find it unlikely during 1880 Comiskey wasn't moonlighting as a baseball player somewhere in Dubuque with any baseball team or baseball players he might gather.

**********This forums research has been very positive and helpful, which I am extremely grateful****thanks again!

[bmarlowe1]

It's funny that you included a definition of "research." Part of it is looking things up - that you know how to do. The hard part is interpreting, understanding, and applying logic to what you have found. That you have been completely unable to do. What you have presented on net54 is not even close to research (not in Missouri nor anywhere else).