Golden Era Hall of Fame Ballot announced

[MacDice]

I think this is the year Hodges gets in

[Peter_Spaeth]

Garvey's knocking at the door
Foster's ringing the bell
Johnson's knocking at the door
Allen's ringing the bell
Do me a favor
Open the Hall
Let em in

Luis Tiant
Tommy John
Colavito
Mattingly Don
T Oliva
Jimmy Wynn
Open the Hall
Let em in, in, in
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[4815162342]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Garvey's knocking at the door
Foster's ringing the bell
Johnson's knocking at the door
Allen's ringing the bell
Do me a favor
Open the Hall
Let em in

Luis Tiant
Tommy John
Colavito
Mattingly Don
T Oliva
Jimmy Wynn
Open the Hall
Let em in, in, in
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Frank, is that you?

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

Frank, is that you?

Frank is derivative.

[t206blogcom]

Hodges, Wills, Kaat

[bcbgcbrcb]

Anyone hear anything about the next Negro Leaguers vote? I know that Minnie spent a few years but is primarily being considered based on his MLB accomplishments.

[FirstYearCards]

How about forming a group to vote out 10% of the HOF, too many over rated in there as it is.

[packs]

I'm wondering about the next Negro League vote too. I'm hoping Coimbre is nominated.

[39special]

Hodges!!

[ksabet]

I am in agreement with none!!

In all the sports they let too many people in. If you weren't in the most elite player of your time conversation then no.

Maybe the should open up a Hall of good?

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by ksabet

I am in agreement with none!!

In all the sports they let too many people in. If you weren't in the most elite player of your time conversation then no.

Dick Allen WAS in the "most elite player" conversation though. Led the league in slugging 3 times, OPS 4 times, won a ROY award, an MVP award and has a career OPS+ of 156. Every 20th century guy ahead of him in OPS+ is in the HOF except Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds.

He belongs.

[clydepepper]

Who in the world is Bob Howsam?

My vote would be for Minoso - he belongs more than many already in.

[kailes2872]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Who in the world is Bob Howsam?

My vote would be for Minoso - he belongs more than many already in.

Isn't Howsam the former GM of the Big Red Machine of the 70's (if there was sarcasm in the question, my meter is broken, so ignore accordingly..)

[turtleguy64]

why Oliva and T. John,Kaat have been kept out ...I don't get it.you vote for the dominant players of an era.Even Allen minus the fielding ...well,he deserves another look.Oliva was one of the most feared AL batters of his time.feel bad for Hodges.

[Chris-Counts]

The Hall of Fame's endless voting debacle continues. The naysayers win again ...

[John E Scott]

When Gil Hodges retired he had hit more homeruns than any right-handed hitter in National League history.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by John E Scott

When Gil Hodges retired he had hit more homeruns than any right-handed hitter in National League history.

Same for Gavvy Cravath. Where's his plaque?

[clydepepper]

Shameful results. Minoso, Oliva, and Tiant deserve to be selected...certainly Tony Perez isn't the only Hall-of-Famer from Cuba. Is there a bias against Cuban players?

[autocentral]

Originally Posted by clydepepper

Shameful results. Minoso, Oliva, and Tiant deserve to be selected...certainly Tony Perez isn't the only Hall-of-Famer from Cuba. Is there a bias against Cuban players?

Tony Perez always said Tony Oliva is a player that should be in the hall of fame next to him and I definitely agree. Minoso is another player that definitely had a great career and has a case for the hall but I don't see him as a definite. Tiant had some great years and is my favorite Cuban pitcher of all time but I just don't see a case for him. Shame they didn't get in but the hall does the same thing every year.

Nick

[Tabe]

Originally Posted by turtleguy64

why Oliva and T. John,Kaat have been kept out ...I don't get it.you vote for the dominant players of an era.

Jim Kaat wasn't a dominant player. Dominant players lead the league in something besides hits allowed. The guy had a career ERA of 3.45 and led the league in wins once. He's not even close to a HOFer.

[glynparson]

I think you need to go look up that word again, and then try and tell me how Steve Garvey does not belong in there. Dick Allen sure has some monster stats BTW if we are going to go the stat route, and many a contemporary article refers to Maury Wills as a future Hall Of Famer, he did after all bring speed back to baseball and ushered in the likes of Brock etc. For that alone I would put him in as well. I have of course already stated I am fairly lenient for the Hall. The criteria does not stipulate the absolute best of the best of the best like some act lke it does. There is plenty of room for the absolute best of the best (Ruth, Cobb, etc.), the compilers (Sutton, Yaz, Niekro), the great stories (Rizzuto, Tinker, Evers, Chance), and the guys at the right place at the right time (Mazeroski). The place does not have a finite nuber of spots and the idea is to tell the story of baseball and its history so I say the more the merrier, within reason of course.

[darwinbulldog]

Originally Posted by glynparson

I think you need to go look up that word [fame] again, and then try and tell me how Steve Garvey does not belong in there.

Do you seriously think they would have called it the Hall of the Best Baseball Players if that's what they had intended? I can assure you Darryl Strawberry is far more famous than Tris Speaker.

[turtleguy64]

Look at the putrid teams Kaat had behind him.Lack of support on the field,no wonder he had to be a better than average fielder.Not exactly surrounded by greatest.Those Twin teams were built for power,not defense.

[insidethewrapper]

Sounds like good news to me that no one was selected. The Hall has already let in too many . When I was growing up the names like Mantle, Aaron, Mays, Kaline, Snider ,Frank Robinson,etc. that's the HOF, not Boyer, Maz, Rizzuto, Oliva etc. Good players but not HOF. In baseball cards, these guys are just a step above the common bin.

[turtleguy64]

Boston fans will very very upset but closely look at Yaz's career statistics.Go to baseball-reference.com if you need to bone up on this.Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you see two really outstanding seasons,2 above average seasons ,and the remainder mediocrity ? did Yaz get in due to longevity ? He got worse the more he played.Look it up.Didn't Oliva post better numbers in a shorter span ?Just as an example.Check it out.