Goudey 1933 PSA 9s--Many ungraded out there?

[GregMitch34]

I'm wondering how those who claim widespread altering actually know this based on evidence not suspicion?

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

I'm wondering how those who claim widespread altering actually know this based on evidence not suspicion?

Because I've spoken to people who alter 1933 Goudeys.

[steve B]

With anything worth real money altering happens. I'm not sure about the widespread part, but with under 300 9s between PSA and SGC even 4 or 5 might be enough to call it widespread.

Yet another reason to reverse the tiers for grading. Rush the 88 Donruss cards, spend a bit more time on the expensive stuff so you've got time to really take a good look.

A really great faker will still get stuff past them, but spending more than a few seconds before they rush to slab it and get it out the door in a certain number of days would let them catch more.

Steve B

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Because I've spoken to people who alter 1933 Goudeys.

[Peter_Spaeth]

But Jeff, this is from our very own forum.

http://net54baseball.com/forum/content/goudey.html

For the most part, Goudey cards (including the 1933 Sport Kings) were all cut the same way between 1933 and 1938, and therefore trimming detection is fairly straightforward.

[Rollingstone206]

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[steve B]

Not unobtainable at all considering the amount of money involved. For a tiny cut of what a 9 would sell for you can get a decent machine operator to do the cutting. I think it might still be possible to tell, but would take more than a quick inspection.

Steve B

Originally Posted by Rollingstone206

Guillotine style paper cutting machines are not unobtainable to card doctors are they?

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by GregMitch34

I'm wondering how those who claim widespread altering actually know this based on evidence not suspicion?

I happen to know that a former dealer in my area who habitually engaged in the process managed to have a 1941 Play Ball Williams graded by PSA as NMT 7, and a '55 Topps Jackie Robinson graded PSA 8. They also dealt in Goudeys, and it would be awfully naive to think the latter were not included in their wares.

Highest regards,

Larry