Seller: "Ill just keep it" tactics in negotiation

Runscott · #1 11-06-2014, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Can we all agree, when negotiating a card, after the Seller has cited past sales, what past people have offered, SMR, VCP, has a deal with a guy but wont have funds till December etc, plus they refuse to list on Ebay....that when dealer finally says 'if i cant sell ill just keep it' (and they usually mean will keep for years not for the week etc)

that means they arent willing to sell at market value? or least during the current market value period of time. (dont say waiting for a month to pass, assume they mean for years) Ok let the arguments begin...

This all makes me wonder what type of tactics you use on the buyer end.

My favorite goes something like this: "Since your photo has creases all over it and is dirty, I'm offering you lower than your asking price." You can use this one for cards as well. I need this kind of logic presented to me since I'm too stupid to consider condition when I price things.

Jaybird · #2 11-06-2014, 11:48 AM

I agree with Adam's points. I'd also add that if that person puts it up for sale on N54 B/S/T, and gets 5 offers, that isn't the "market". C'mon, 5 people send low ball offers for a card and he should accept one of them because that's the market for a card?

If the card sold 3-4 times in the last 2 years in well publicized auctions, I might accept that as close to market price.

Without details into your particular scenario, it's very hard to give a yes or no answer, but I'm going to say NO.

thecatspajamas · #3 11-06-2014, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

This all makes me wonder what type of tactics you use on the buyer end.

My favorite goes something like this: "Since your photo has creases all over it and is dirty, I'm offering you lower than your asking price." You can use this one for cards as well. I need this kind of logic presented to me since I'm too stupid to consider condition when I price things.

+1

And when someone starts quoting guides and market prices and such, that's usually when I end the negotiation. Make me an offer, and if I think it's too low, I'll counter with what I can do. Keep dicking around with lowball offers, and the price goes up from there (annoyance tax). Try to "educate" me on the market, teach me how to grade, quote some online price guide, or (my favorite) tell me how you'll give me 70% of the lowball price you once saw that item sell for, and I'll simply block you. I've been buying and selling on eBay since 1997, and there are too many reasonable customers out there who I enjoy interacting with for me to waste my time with a buyer who is probably going to find some reason to neg me later on anyway.

I'll just keep it.

tschock · #4 11-06-2014, 09:40 PM

OK, for a non-crotchety summary. There are probably dozens of legitimate reasons buyers offer that they do and dozens of legitimate reasons why sellers accept offers that the do. And there are probably dozens more excuses on both sides. The ONLY fact one can ascertain from when a sale is NOT made is that the seller and buyer couldn't agree on a price. Nothing more.

Runscott · #5 11-06-2014, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by tschock

OK, for a non-crotchety summary. There are probably dozens of legitimate reasons buyers offer that they do and dozens of legitimate reasons why sellers accept offers that the do. And there are probably dozens more excuses on both sides. The ONLY fact one can ascertain from when a sale is NOT made is that the seller and buyer couldn't agree on a price. Nothing more.

Yeah, and there are 524 cards in the T206 set. End of discussion.

(This is a discussion forum).

tschock · #6 11-07-2014, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Yeah, and there are 524 cards in the T206 set. End of discussion.

(This is a discussion forum).

Exactly! (as opposed to a p*ss and moan forum)

My only point was around a number of previous 'assumptions' as to why people say the things they do. "I'll just keep it" could mean anything from a very polite "No thanks" to a not quite as polite "F*ck off!"

And the entire OP that spawned this was based on 'assumptions'. But there was also the "let the arguments begin" ending, which may have been the entire purpose all along. (again, another assumption)

Edit: To clarify, I totally understand the need to vent though, which is what this thread basically seems to be.

Runscott · #7 11-07-2014, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by tschock

Exactly! (as opposed to a p*ss and moan forum)

I've found that often when someone disagrees with me, I am "pissing and moaning". If they agree with me, I am an enlightened cardboard expert. "Discussion" involves both sides, so I think it's fine for you to "piss and moan" about the OP.

drcy · #8 11-07-2014, 02:03 PM

My favorite story of not going by someone else's rules is my mom grew up in a fishing village populated with salty fishermen and one of the old fishermen was filling out his taxes. The tax form had a box that said at top 'Do not write in this space,' and he wrote in it "I'll write wherever I damn well please!"

tschock · #9 11-07-2014, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

I've found that often when someone disagrees with me, I am "pissing and moaning". If they agree with me, I am an enlightened cardboard expert. "Discussion" involves both sides, so I think it's fine for you to "piss and moan" about the OP.

Not sure how anything I've said was disagreeing with you. I wasn't, or at least that wasn't the intent. I was simply trying to clarify my point. The piss and moan comment wasn't directed at you. It was a comment at the general tone of this thread. My apologies if you took it that way.

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