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Old 11-25-2014, 10:22 PM
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For hitters, and probably overall, I say Mays over Aaron by a nose.

For pitchers I say Maddux and Randy Johnson need to be in the conversation. Many of you will get mad at this, but I don't think Koufax is in the conversation for best living player. He was absolutely incredible for 5 years and decent for the rest of his career. 5 years does not make one the best living player and we can't count what would have happened if not for the shoulder issues at the end.
I would agree re Koufax. I would take at least Seaver, Gibson, Maddux and Johnson over him, if I can't take Clemens.
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Mays and Koufax. I can't consider someone who was never the best player in the game to be the best living player (looking at you Aaron).
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Mays and Koufax. I can't consider someone who was never the best player in the game to be the best living player (looking at you Aaron).
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Old 11-27-2014, 02:07 PM
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Willie Mays (although I may be partial to the heroes of my youth)
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Old 11-27-2014, 08:25 PM
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Default Top 5...plus 1!
1. Mays
2. Aaron
3. Koufax
4. Brooks Robinson
5. Ryan

and 1 more for good luck...

6. Cal Ripken Jr
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"Say Hey" Willie Mays but I wanted so BAD to say Koufax because he was MONEY.

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Mays and Koufax. I can't consider someone who was never the best player in the game to be the best living player (looking at you Aaron).
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I will say that I am a bonds hater of immense magnitude, but I can't in good conscience leave him off an honest list. For all the hate for the steroids era, everyone had their crutch. From Cobbs sharpened cleats, to the vaseline balls, 15 inch mounds and Greenies like halloween candy, there was never a "clean" era in my mind. With the magnifing glass the current players live under, we may be seeing the cleanest it's even been. I know this will be controversial, but here goes -

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Aaron
Mays
Bonds
Rose
Clemens

and an honorable mention to Ryan and Koufax.
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Best players overall I gotta say Hank Aaron and Rickey Henderson.
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Mays and Koufax. I can't consider someone who was never the best player in the game to be the best living player (looking at you Aaron).

Playing in Milwaukee and Atlanta has that effect. OPS+ of 140+ for 19 straight years, WAR of 6+ for 16 of those seasons. He belongs in the discussion. My vote goes to Mays for his superior defense.

I can't consider some who was great for 4 yrs, good for another 2 to be in the discussion for greatest ever (looking at you Koufax).
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Playing in Milwaukee and Atlanta has that effect. OPS+ of 140+ for 19 straight years, WAR of 6+ for 16 of those seasons. He belongs in the discussion. My vote goes to Mays for his superior defense.

I can't consider some who was great for 4 yrs, good for another 2 to be in the discussion for greatest ever (looking at you Koufax).
To each his own. I'd rather have a great player for 6 years than one whose stats are over rated by steroids or playing in Fulton County Stadium.
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1) Mays
2) Maddux
3) Rickey
4) Aaron
5) Koufax
6) Nolan
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1A. Hank Aaron
1B. Willie Mays
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WAR Position Players (Times leading the league) ... Based on WAR, I will go with Bonds and Mays.

Bonds (1986-2007) 11
Hornsby (1915-1937) 11
Ruth (1914-1935) 11
Wagner (1897-1917) 11
Mays (1951-1973) 10
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Hank Aaron. Aaron was a marginally better hitter than Mays. Mays was better than Aaron as a fielder, although Aaron did win 3 GGs. Aaron was in the top three in MVP voting 7 times, Mays 6 times. Aaron in my opinion is a real gentleman; Mays a jerk.
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Hank Aaron. Aaron was a marginally better hitter than Mays. Mays was better than Aaron as a fielder, although Aaron did win 3 GGs. Aaron was in the top three in MVP voting 7 times, Mays 6 times. Aaron in my opinion is a real gentleman; Mays a jerk.
Saying Mays was better than Aaron as a fielder is like saying a Rolex is a better watch than a Casio. Mays was probably the greatest fielding outfielder, ever. I would call them even in hitting, with his all around game giving a slight edge to Mays overall.
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Hank Aaron. Aaron was a marginally better hitter than Mays. Mays was better than Aaron as a fielder, although Aaron did win 3 GGs. Aaron was in the top three in MVP voting 7 times, Mays 6 times. Aaron in my opinion is a real gentleman; Mays a jerk.
Aaron probably would have won a few more Gold Gloves, too, if it weren't for Roberto Clemente. Aaron won three in a row. Clemente, arguably the greatest defensive right fielder in history, then won the next 13.
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Al Kaline was a pretty good defensive right fielder too. He was just flawless. Always in the right spot and seemed to always make the right play. A great defensive center fielder who has gotten no love at all was Richie Ashburn. Bill James went on and on about what a ballhawk he was. Terry Moore was supposed to be pretty special too, as was Dom DiMaggio. When they were both playing, some said Dom was a better outfielder than his brother.
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I would agree re Koufax. I would take at least Seaver, Gibson, Maddux and Johnson over him, if I can't take Clemens.
While we all concur he hung on too long, Steve Carlton would round that rotation out nicely.
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