1961 Dice Game

#1 12-18-2014, 11:20 PM

LOVE the Dice Game cards, Bob. I'm assuming those have no staple holes, since they're graded so high?

From what I've read over the years, there are possibly 3 or 4 copies of each card in existence? One with staple holes, one factory cut, 1 cut from a sheet, and another still in sheet form? Anyone know if the sheets each had a complete set?

Al, the Plaks are probably still my favorite test issue. When Mile High came up with their "find", I was tempted to finally complete the set, even though it would have cost something crazy compared to the $300 or so I spent on the 13 I owned way back when. I settled for just getting a Killebrew.

You may recall, a couple of years ago I wrote on this forum that I believed I once owned a Drysdale Plak, which was apparently a false memory. What nags me, however, is I've been telling the story of owning a Drysdale Plak ever since getting on the internet in '97, which was only 6-7 years after I sold my collection. It's probably still a false memory, but if so, I at least feel confident it's not because of old age.

ALR-bishop · #2 12-19-2014, 08:02 AM

Karl--you could turn out to be right. I hope not

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The same issue exists on the 67 Punch Outs. Like the Plaks, SCD had a checklist but no one had ever found several of cards with listed captains. They then changed the listing to say the missing captains likely did not exist. Then one of the missing captains showed up. I think Mays, which may have been a prototype like the Robinson 3D. I think Larry here got that. So my completed set may be one short.

. Unless the Mays was a prototype, in which case it could be viewed as separate from the set, like the Robinson.

I think Bob and Larry have both also completed the 67 Stand Up set. I am still 3 short on that one

Bob-- those Dice cards look great. You should post a couple of your 70 cloth.

#3 12-19-2014, 11:36 AM

ALR-bishop: Karl--you could turn out to be right. I hope not .

Yeah, probably not much chance. For what it's worth, I'm confident I never owned any of the other missing players from that set.

Does anyone know if Levi collects/hoards this kind of stuff? Or would he have just flipped anything I sold him 20+ years ago? If by some chance I owned something unique back then and sold it to him, would he have shared that info with the collecting community over the years? I guess I could try and reach out to him, but I'm afraid he'll say he has no recollection of me and put all my memories in doubt.

My collection paled compared to yours, Bob's and Larry's, but I've never seen any Tests on eBay or in any auctions that I felt certain once belonged to me.

ALR-bishop · #4 12-19-2014, 11:44 AM

Levi has some stuff on the Registry, and I am pretty sure he has his own collection which likely includes a lot of rare material. I correspond with him a bit on the stuff I am still looking for, but have never asked him if he has any of it himself .

I have found that when I send him questions or observations to his email on his web site, I get fairly prompt responses unless he is at a show ( levi@707sportcards.com)

cardinalcollector · #5 12-19-2014, 06:19 PM

Has anybody ever seen a Bill White dice card? He's been checklisted for years, I've never seen a photo.
Al or Bob?

ALR-bishop · #6 12-19-2014, 08:35 PM

Nope. I am still looking for his 59 "traded" card

#7 12-19-2014, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

I think Bob and Larry have both also completed the 67 Stand Up set. I am still 3 short on that one

I assume you guys mix-and-match and don't distinguish between the proofs and the die-cuts? Is it even possible to put a set together of only one type?

Mark70Z · #8 12-20-2014, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Karl Mattson

From what I've read over the years, there are possibly 3 or 4 copies of each card in existence? One with staple holes, one factory cut, 1 cut from a sheet, and another still in sheet form? Anyone know if the sheets each had a complete set?

Can anyone weigh in on the estimated amount of copies in existence as noted above? In the Brooks example the only one I've personally ever seen was the example with the staple holes in the top of the card. Does anyone have another example? If so, I'd love to see a scan/picture of the card and/or sheet or if they have ever seen another example so I at least know there are more out there...somewhere.

Also, one more thing, these are completed cards printed both on front and back. They're not like, for example, the ''67/'68 Topps discs where they are all basically proofs. So with these cards being complete wouldn't you think there would be some type of proofs out there for these particular cards?

bobsbbcards · #9 12-20-2014, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karl Mattson

I'm assuming those have no staple holes, since they're graded so high?

Correct. No staple holes. My Frank Robinson has staple holes, and my Mick was the sheet cut one. I think Larry's Mick is the factory cut/staple hole version. From what I hear, Larry Fritsch (or son) has the uncut sheet.

I have a complete set of the proof (think, no die cut) Standups. Sort of the poor-man's version.

sflayank · #10 12-21-2014, 08:39 AM

67 stand up set is all die cuts..have a few proof..not really working on that
plaks i have mays with staub and howard on it i believe..other 4 probably dont exist but who knows
punchouts 197 different out of 198...i lost one cant find a replacement for it
5 captains that were listed do not exist
dice game 10 different...out of 13 ive seen got outbid on mays and wagner(bob)
5 cards of each i believe...1 sheet, 1 cut sheet 1 set of staples, 2 factory cut
1955 stamps have 17 different
67 discs complete
67 giants discs complete
68 discs only have 7 in foil form a few more in proof form

toppcat · #11 12-21-2014, 10:13 AM

Larry I would love to see your list of 55 Stamps

ALR-bishop · #12 12-21-2014, 10:26 AM

Larry--are you source for 55 Stamps listed in SCD ? If not, how does your list compare.

You also have some of the 66 Punch Outs, right ?

What 67 dupes do you have ?

A guy selling on ebay put together a full set of the 67 Stand Ups in proof and die cut format. He sold them with a mock up of the empty box that sold at auction some time back ( Larry - did you get that ? ). All the cards came in mock up wrappers. There were also easels . They were very well done. From a scan you could not tell them from the real proofs. He sold them clearly labeled as Reproductions and I have not seen him list them again, but it would make me cautious in buying any further proofs for the 3 I still need. I did buy one of each of the sets he put up on ebay, with a box, wrappers and easels

sflayank · #13 12-21-2014, 10:55 AM

the 55 stamps i have...+3 dupes
BOONE,GOMEZ,SHEPARD(2),MOSSI,POLLETT,SKINNER(2)
SPOONER,SKOWRON,PENDLETON,JOLLY,HOFMAN,WHITE
JABLONSKi(2),CUNNINGHAM,HADDIX,TREMEL,VALENTINE
66 punchouts
skowron/flood
robinson/mcmillan
mays/conigliaro\
grant/callison
67 standups all die cut...have some proofs not working on that set

judgejules1 · #14 01-28-2015, 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sflayank

the 55 stamps i have...+3 dupes
BOONE,GOMEZ,SHEPARD(2),MOSSI,POLLETT,SKINNER(2)
SPOONER,SKOWRON,PENDLETON,JOLLY,HOFMAN,WHITE
JABLONSKi(2),CUNNINGHAM,HADDIX,TREMEL,VALENTINE
66 punchouts
skowron/flood
robinson/mcmillan
mays/conigliaro\
grant/callison
67 standups all die cut...have some proofs not working on that set

I'm new to this board, but it's nice to find out who my mays/conigliaro went to. I put that up with Huggins and Scott.

toppcat · #15 12-21-2014, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALR-bishop

Larry--are you source for 55 Stamps listed in SCD ? If not, how does your list compare.

You also have some of the 66 Punch Outs, right ?

What 67 dupes do you have ?

A guy selling on ebay put together a full set of the 67 Stand Ups in proof and die cut format. He sold them with a mock up of the empty box that sold at auction some time back ( Larry - did you get that ? ). All the cards came in mock up wrappers. There were also easels . They were very well done. From a scan you could not tell them from the real proofs. He sold them clearly labeled as Reproductions and I have not seen him list them again, but it would make me cautious in buying any further proofs for the 3 I still need. I did buy one of each of the sets he put up on ebay, with a box, wrappers and easels

Al are these the same as the 3-D easels?

ALR-bishop · #16 12-21-2014, 03:21 PM

Dave---sorry I misremembered what he put together. No easels. Here is a scan of the box and packs he made and a copy of each type of card, die cut and proof, next to my real ones

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