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12-19-2014, 02:45 PM
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most 19th century cards
have been soaked from something. The cards look better without paper glued on the back that wasn't originally there. If you ever buy a card from me please assume it was at one time soaked - something I will freely disclose if asked............
the double standard quote was quite good. 
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12-19-2014, 02:49 PM
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to suggest soaking is worse than shilling
leaves me nearly speechless.....................
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12-20-2014, 08:15 AM
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Soaking is worse than Shiling..diatribe
You don't have to buy a card if its priced to high......plus whoever is shilling..if they 'win' the item they will pay 10% etc..so I don't think it can be that common.... if a card you want to sell for 250..and its at 200..you going to shill for 220? if win you just lost 22 dollars..makes no sense
there are enough ebay auctions and auctions out there we can come up with what we want to offer for a card..if a card is bid too high, we don't buy it.. a reserve is almost the same thing as a schill bid or a starting price at the amount the seller wants...it all comes down to what the buyer wants to pay for the card....a card is worth what someone wants to pay for it.. but at least the buyer knows exactly what the card is.... a soaked card that is not disclosed is assumed to be not soaked........why not tell the buyers on ebay that a card is soaked if no big deal? I haven't seen one listing that says that.. however I see lots of starting prices and reserves on cards...so buyers know how much the seller wants for the card, shilled or not.....at least the buyer knows what the card is.. when cards are won , they we know what someone was willing to pay for the card..whether there were prior shill bids or not.......the card is the card..... if put 'card was soaked'...will the prices go down from a same listing in which saying the card wasn't soaked?..... if the value is the same..then i a wrong soaking doesn't matter... but if someone is willing to pay $500 for a card whether there was a shilling to get there or a reserve price...was the problem...to the buyer its worth $500........if put 'buy it now' for $500...or shilling..the outcome is the same....with the soaking ..its not...or lets see at least one ebay listing saying card was soaked... if a seller of a 1952 Mantle psa tells you on an auction yesterday, that he shilled up to $30,000..cause he didn't want it go for less than that..and he risked paying $3,000 if he 'won' and the card ultimately sold for $35,000...would you subtract value for that? how about if he told you in soaked the card? ...which one hurts the value more..thoughts? Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 12-20-2014 at 08:22 AM.
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12-24-2014, 05:53 AM
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if you think a card is bid too high due to shilling you can choose not to buy the card..or can choose to buy the card at your price......... to say 'is ridiculous' with no content of an argument is ridiculous...... so basically anything you say after this post..ill just post that what you say is ridiculous..........(if your post actually has content and doesn't just address proofreading)...... Last edited by 1952boyntoncollector; 12-24-2014 at 05:53 AM.
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12-24-2014, 07:33 AM
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Shilling is stealing and is against the law. It doesn't matter what a person is willing to pay for an item, when if not shilled that person would have gotten the item for less. Shilling also creates a false market value. Did I mention that shilling is stealing! I'm not saying soaking is an accepted practice by all. Some think it is altering a card and some don't. I understand both sides. I'll bet that if you ask anyone that has soaked a card, if they have soaked they would tell you yes. On the other hand if you asked someone that has shilled if they have shilled, you will not get such a truthful answer. So I will stick to my earlier statement, to even suggest soaking is worse than shilling is ridiculous. Merry Christmas to all.
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12-20-2014, 08:29 AM
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The overwhelming majority of collectors do not oppose soaking. You are free to believe what you want, of course. But huge numbers of prewar cards have been soaked to remove them safely from scrapbooks, just a fact of life. And I very much doubt you can tell.
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12-20-2014, 09:09 AM
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Well I talking about both pre and post war..so thought it would be better to take care of in one thread instead of two separate threads....
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12-20-2014, 04:15 PM
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Soaking
What about T206 Polar Bears? The front has several tobacco stains (scrap tobacco), but I'm concerned about the black/blue ink on the back. Anyone soaked a Polar bear?
(Yeah, I set the pins up so someone can knock them down.)  Note: This is my PC. Not to be sold at a later date. My Jimmy Lavender collection.
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