Closing Tonight! Lelands.com Jan 16th Auction- Joe Jackson's Personal Scrapbooks

[1963Topps Set]

I wonder why Gibson / Brock are pawning off their stuff?

[Pat R]

The town historian was on the job I'm working on last week and I was telling
him about the flyer from the Jackson scrapbook for a game in our home
town and he said he remembered an article in the local paper about it.
He just dropped off copies of a couple of articles about the game. Joe Jackson was there but the game was never played but it does date the
flyer to 1922.

There is also an article about Fred Odwell who played in the majors and is on a t201 card who was also scheduled to play in a game in town the following week.

[bn2cardz]

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set

I wonder why Gibson / Brock are pawning off their stuff?

I could be wrong but I think that due to the changes in the St. Louis Cardinals HOF a lot of their stuff was returned. This would mean they probably have no room for it any more. These aren't the first Cardinal's stuff to show up recently in Lelands. Slaughter and Musial also had some stuff. At that time I talked to a friend that works for the Cardinals and he said a lot of that use to be held by them, so that is where this assumption comes from.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set

I wonder why Gibson / Brock are pawning off their stuff?

Gibby is almost 80 and Brock is 75 and they both probably figure to cash in now and not leave those decisions to other family members. Makes perfect sense to me

[joshleland]

As to the concept of ballplayers selling their stuff, this is a new world we live in. When something was worth 100$ it was easy to make the decision to donate it to a museum or keep it in the closet. Now collectively these things are worth in many cases hundreds of thousands and in rare cases millions. Family members in most situations would prefer to have the money and to forgoe the headache of selling the stuff themselves after they have chosen the momentos that truly mean something to them.

I believe the previous use of the term "pawn" is unfair and a bit ugly. Selling these things in a higly publicized auction that they know and trust because others in their circle have utilized us, there is nothing wrong with that. What are they supposed to do? Give it away to people who may eventually sell it themselves in not as calculated and dignified a manner? Have family members fight over this when there is no King Solomon to threaten to cut the baby in half. Money can be divided equitably and easily. Or should they donate it to a museum where a vast majority of the time it will end up in the basement only to be enjoyed by the archivists who already have plenty to look at. Be aware I am a firm believer that museum donation has its place having donated to several including Cooperstown multiple times. But it has to be the right situation, this is not a carte blanche move. Some things simply belong in certain places. The majority does not. And what would you do. Would you give away your children and grandchildren's legacy for a tax deduction that might not work financially. Many of the old time ballplayers don't have an unending supply of money to prepare their families for when they are gone. But in the end regardles of the situation it is their's to do to do with what they feel is right, regardless of the decision. It is simply their's, they earned it, sweated for it, and shame on those that deride them at a time when many of the biggest celebrities and regular Joe's have sold their excess memorabilia. Even the Pope is supposedly auctioning off gifts that normally just go to storage and giving the money to charity versus going into another Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse stuffed with crates that go on forever. Our politicians should be doing the same. Regardless of my politics I would love to have an ugly samovar presented to President Obama by the President of Turkey (do they have a President?). And besides we're all in this hobby here. We love this stuff for whatever dysfunction and isn't it great that we get to enjoy it in the privacy of our own homes. And when we are done with it we shuttle it to the next collector who can enjoy it far after we are gone, the player is gone, and Leon Luckey's son is running net54.
Sincerely
Joshua Leland Evans
Cchairman
Lelands.com

P.S. My auction closes Friday where we we will be pawning off some great stuff that we are infinitely proud of.

[Leon]

Originally Posted by joshleland

As to the concept of ballplayers selling their stuff, this is a new world we live in. When something was worth 100$ it was easy to make the decision to donate it to a museum or keep it in the closet. Now collectively these things are worth in many cases hundreds of thousands and in rare cases millions. Family members in most situations would prefer to have the money and to forgoe the headache of selling the stuff themselves after they have chosen the momentos that truly mean something to them.

I believe the previous use of the term "pawn" is unfair and a bit ugly. Selling these things in a higly publicized auction that they know and trust because others in their circle have utilized us, there is nothing wrong with that. What are they supposed to do? Give it away to people who may eventually sell it themselves in not as calculated and dignified a manner? Have family members fight over this when there is no King Solomon to threaten to cut the baby in half. Money can be divided equitably and easily. Or should they donate it to a museum where a vast majority of the time it will end up in the basement only to be enjoyed by the archivists who already have plenty to look at. Be aware I am a firm believer that museum donation has its place having donated to several including Cooperstown multiple times. But it has to be the right situation, this is not a carte blanche move. Some things simply belong in certain places. The majority does not. And what would you do. Would you give away your children and grandchildren's legacy for a tax deduction that might not work financially. Many of the old time ballplayers don't have an unending supply of money to prepare their families for when they are gone. But in the end regardles of the situation it is their's to do to do with what they feel is right, regardless of the decision. It is simply their's, they earned it, sweated for it, and shame on those that deride them at a time when many of the biggest celebrities and regular Joe's have sold their excess memorabilia. Even the Pope is supposedly auctioning off gifts that normally just go to storage and giving the money to charity versus going into another Raiders of the Lost Ark warehouse stuffed with crates that go on forever. Our politicians should be doing the same. Regardless of my politics I would love to have an ugly samovar presented to President Obama by the President of Turkey (do they have a President?). And besides we're all in this hobby here. We love this stuff for whatever dysfunction and isn't it great that we get to enjoy it in the privacy of our own homes. And when we are done with it we shuttle it to the next collector who can enjoy it far after we are gone, the player is gone, and Leon Luckey's son is running net54.
Sincerely
Joshua Leland Evans
Cchairman
Lelands.com

P.S. My auction closes Friday where we we will be pawning off some great stuff that we are infinitely proud of.

Well, it would be my daughter taking over Net54 as I have no son (I know about). And I don't think she would do that well running the forum. She is too nice.

Good luck in the auction tonight, Josh

[drcy]

Speaking of athletes selling their stuff, I recently read an article about actress Loni Anderson. She's well off and apparently has kept a ton of stuff from her acting career, celebrity life and marriage to Burt Reynolds, including television and museum memorabilia and unique luxury gifts from famous people. She said that over dinner a friend asked her what she was planning to do with all the stuff-- "Are you planning on opening a museum?" the person asked. She said she thought it over and decided to sell most of the items as they were just sitting or stored away, and she wasn't planning on opening a museum.

So there is a case of a thoughtful celebrity, not in any financial dire straights or with health problems, who decided the best thing was to sell.

[Rich Klein]

Originally Posted by Leon

Well, it would be my daughter taking over Net54 as I have no son (I know about). And I don't think she would do that well running the forum. She is too nice.

Good luck in the auction tonight, Josh

I'll take the role of your adopted son -- as long as you also leave me the type collection

[slidekellyslide]

I know the Jackson scrapbooks have a reserve, but I'm kinda shocked that they are only sitting around $35,000 right now. There aren't even words to describe the importance of those scrapbooks. They weren't put together by some fan of Jackson's...they were put together by him and/or his wife. I gotta think the outlaw broadsides are worth more than the $35,000 the bid is sitting at right now.