14+Rose HOFer ball

[RichardSimon]

Vtg is correct, that ball could be put on ebay and sit there till doomsday at $1000 or any price close to that. At best it is worth $250.

[CollectiblesNJ]

I would be a buyer on this ball at $250, I would bet if you get PSA that ball goes north of $600 on ebay. Def not worth a G though even to keep for yourself.

[tazdmb]

It is Northrop and Hiller above Ferrell, that being said, wouldn't touch the ball.

[Pickles]

Thanks all forthe feedback. This is what I have so far, which I will forward to my co worker:

1- It appears the sigs 9with possible exception of Aaron) are legitimate
2- Missing players are Detroit Tigers (1968?) Bill Freehan, Northrup, J Hiller
3- Ball not worth $1000 raw (or certified for that matter) Estimates of $250 (I seriously doubt it could be that low, too many deceased HOFs to average $10/$15 an auto) nut serious concern for continuous fading of signatures

Is there anything that could be done to lengthen or eliminate the fading? Clearly using gloves when handling the ball comes to mind, but would a UV cover or some coating help the situation? Purely hypothetical b/c I do not think the card shop guy will drop to the $500-$600 price point which would be a more reasonable estimate if all sigs are real ($30-40 per HOF, $10 for others...) . I'd think seriously about it at $500, but I am just advising a colleague

Thanks again

[vthobby]

Kevin,

Being on Ebay for almost 20 years and handling over 5000 transactions, I respectfully disagree with you. As Richard Simon (his credentials are just like mine X 15!) also agreed with me, this ball does not matter if it is has JSA, PSA/DNA, or a bright red X-Mas bow on it. It is a neat item if you want to spend a couple of hundred and have some cool names but it is NOT an investment piece or something that will go up significantly with a COA. This ball is just what the companies want you to send in as they snicker while charging you $XXX to authenticate an item where the authentication fee is double or even to the items value.

It makes no sense.

Just my 2 cents.

By the way, I agree with you, if you had $250 disposable and wanted some cool names on a ball then go for it........but don't fool yourself into thinking it will shoot up in value with a COA.

peace, mike

PS To answer Pickles question.....the fading/bleeding is because of the type of baseball that was used. The only way to try and stop that is to keep it away from sunlight but because of the ball used, I'm afraid at some point those faded/bleeding autos will be tough to decipher.

[Mr. Zipper]

I agree with those who put this in the $250 - $300 range. It has serious condition issues and an off brand ball featuring relatively common signatures with no cohesive theme. Certification will not add value after fees.

In my experience, the kind of collectors who have larger budgets are typically not interested in pulling a "dented can" from the shelf. This is strictly a bargain hunter impulse item.

[Klrdds]

[QUOTE=vtgmsc;1359830]Kevin,

Being on Ebay for almost 20 years and handling over 5000 transactions, I respectfully disagree with you. As Richard Simon (his credentials are just like mine X 15!) also agreed with me, this ball does not matter if it is has JSA, PSA/DNA, or a bright red X-Mas bow on it. It is a neat item if you want to spend a couple of hundred and have some cool names but it is NOT an investment piece or something that will go up significantly with a COA. This ball is just what the companies want you to send in as they snicker while charging you $XXX to authenticate an item where the authentication fee is double or even to the items value.

It makes no sense.

Just my 2 cents.

By the way, I agree with you, if you had $250 disposable and wanted some cool names on a ball then go for it........but don't fool yourself into thinking it will shoot up in value with a COA.

peace, mike

PS To answer Pickles question.....the fading/bleeding is because of the type of baseball that was used. The only way to try and stop that is to keep it away from sunlight but because of the ball used, I'm afraid at some point those faded/bleeding autos will be tough to decipher.[/QUOTE

I agree with you about the buying and TPA price gouging on an item like this.
When I buy I always look at value paid versus what it is worth , and what is the investment potential. Not being a dealer only a collector I view it one side only, not from both sides as a dealer would. Plus I agree with you about Richard Simon.

[Bestdj777]

For what it is worth, here is a link to my HOF ball:

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=mantle&page=2

It cost less than three hundred, has a lot of the bigger names, was signed in the same color pen, and does not have a lot of fading issues. It is up to your friend to make his own decision, but I hope he passes on this one.

[RichardSimon]

The worst thing about the ball is the commonality of signatures issue. As stated in earlier posts, it is not a HOF ball, it is not a Tigers ball, it is not a 1986 Mets ball , it does not fit with almost any collection.

[Econteachert205]

No superstar ball is complete without gates brown.

[valediction]

Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Vtg is correct, that ball could be put on ebay and sit there till doomsday at $1000 or any price close to that. At best it is worth $250.

I agree. It's a mishmash ball. As Mike pointed out, the value is largely in the memories of the one who got the signatures. Anyone going to shows from the 1980's to today could have put that together. The fading makes it a tough sell, and none of the signatures are that tough. Add to that the fact that there is no theme to it. It's not a HOF ball, it's not a Detroit greats ball, though it has many elements of both. For the HOF collector it's missing a decent amount of easy guys that are no longer with us (Musial, Killebrew, Feller, Kiner, etc) For the Detroit collectors, how much would they pay for a ball with so many NON Detroit players, even if they are great?

[joed25]

All the signatures are authentic. The Hank Greenberg I'm pretty sure is good as well. That's the only one I'm not certain about but pretty sure it's good. I would pay $300. Please contact me if its for sale. Thanks.