1888 N173 Glass Slide Negatives

[prewarsports]

Do you have more history of these items?

Can you send a scan of a complete negative with all its borders and not enhanced by light?

What are the sizes of the glass plates?

I am curious because knowing how these images (the negatives) and the baseball cards were produced it would be highly unlikely that a hoard of various teams (from completely different photographers) would have ever been in one place at one time. Goodwin and company would have probably never been in possession of the negatives and only bought images from the individual photographers in developed form and then used these images to make their cards and as such would have their own negatives. The individual photographers would have remained in possession of their negatives. Since you appear to have several teams represented from several different photographers I am curious how these would have been assembled.

Can you post a scan or two of the negatives in raw form (how they appear to the naked eye) with some sizes of the plates?

[Saco River Auction]

Hi, all I know is the consignor is from the Burlington area of Vermont and bought these from an estate over 40 years ago. He does not remember the family name of the estate, but does remember they lived on Lake Champlain.

The Photos are included below and each one measures 5x7

[vthobby]

That's what I'm talking about, 1957-58 Hoops Topps Vending Machine find back in the 1980s, 1948 Bowman Hoops find early 2014, and now these......

I really need to start hitting the road, there are plenty more I'm sure.

Luckily I was part of 2 out of the 3 finds mentioned above!

peace, mike

[4815162342]

Originally Posted by vtgmsc

That's what I'm talking about, 1957-58 Hoops Topps Vending Machine find back in the 1980s, 1948 Bowman Hoops find early 2014, and now these......



I really need to start hitting the road, there are plenty more I'm sure.



Luckily I was part of 2 out of the 3 finds mentioned above!



peace, mike

You forgot about the '88 Donruss find of ... '88.

[Saco River Auction]

Watch Video Here

[prewarsports]

You might want to have these examined to be sure they are not glass plate "copy negatives". The original negatives would most likely not have the Goodwin and Co. copyright on them (unless they are etched into the negatives you have or painted on) and the bottom corners appear to have stickers that are present in the image. It is impossible to tell without holding them in person, but my hunch is that these are not the "originals" but glass plates made after the fact from the developed photographs, probably about 1910-1920.

Awesome items either way, but a bit more research might help you guys when selling these so that they are described accurately.

Best of luck with the sale.

[oldjudge]

Rhys/Josh--I have a glass plate negative that I picked up from Terry Knouse years ago. It has the Goodwin copyright written in black ink on the negative. I believe that the photographers sent the negatives to Goodwin where the copyright and other info may have been written on. I'm pretty sure mine was used in the production process. Having said that, I have not seen the Saco ones in person and I don't know if they are first generation or not. Perhaps Troy could comment as to whether there is writing on the negatives. The writing on mine is obviously on the glass (and not in the negative). I wonder if the Saco ones are the same.

[Saco River Auction]

I have checked the glass negatives and the writing is not in the glass or in the image, but on the glass. It was clearly written and the writing is clearly raised off the surface of the glass.

Troy

[Jeffrompa]

+1. I was going to mention that the only way the writing could be there is if it from the photographer writing on the negative itself .

[joshleland]

Let's be very careful here
I have seen a very few glass plate negatives with the info painted on
But they were not this early, and the work was sloppily done
Look in your kind to things like real photo postcards that have sloppy
cartouches which were done on acetates not glass
When you do a fine point job like on the old judges you did it differently
The normal practice is to print a copy print, have an artist paint it and to make another negative from that
Also, I remember quite well the one or ones Terry Knouse had and the writing was not on the glass
They were very similar to the lot I passed in the 80s
Plus based on the photos of the Saco River negs they do not appear to be first generation or vintage of the period
I suggest you have a 19th century photo expert look at them in person
Almost all baseball people just don't have the expertise
Few do
The question is what type of negatives with white cartouches were typically used to produce the countless number of non baseball cabinet photos out there

By the way I looked at the video and they really are nice and beautifully displayed
I just don't believe they were used to print the cabinets

Josh

[vthobby]

Originally Posted by 4815162342

You forgot about the '88 Donruss find of ... '88.

Good one Daryl,

Actually I did find some of those and oh boy let me tell you.........wallpaper baby! Ugh!

peace, mike

PS I was actually trying to forget that find so thanks for bringing that up!