1935 National Chicle Premiums

TanksAndSpartans · #1 01-14-2015, 09:07 PM

Awesome! Thanks Jeff. Great photo - its my first time really seeing it. I appreciate it. Too bad Ace didn't get the better of this exchange

Great info on the "-1", "-2" designations - I completely forgot about baseball.

So the Beckett checklist is:

#1 Joe Bach
#2 Eddie Casey
#3 George Christensen
#4 Red Grange
#5 Stan Kostka
#6 Joe Maniaci
#7 Harry Newman
#8 Walter Switzer
#9 Chicago Bears
#10 New York Giants
#11 Bill Shakespeare punting/Notre Dame's Quick Kick vs. Army
#12 Pittsburgh U. in Rough
#13 Pittsburgh Pirates
#14 S.L. Morton/Touchdown: Morton of Yale
#15 Dixie Howell/A Tight Spot
#16 Cotton Warburton/Cotton Goes Places
#17 Ace Gutowsky/Steve Hokuf

Questions/Comments:

-Is the numbering arbitrary because I recall the backs are blank, right? Did Beckett match their numbering with the ACC?

-I like the inclusion of #3, #4, #7, and #17 - all would've been worthy of cards 37-40, in my opinion. Although I wonder if Gutowsky got in just by virtue of the fact someone liked that photo�. We may never know, but I'm glad it worked out to include him.

-They were really enamored with Kostka - interesting that his seems to be the only image shown in both the base set and the premiums and it looks like the premium photo was used as the basis of the card, right?

-#1, #6, #8, #15, #16?? College players? I don't recognize any of the names.

-Is #13 a Pirates team photo? I get the Bears and Giants since the set comes on the heels of the Sneakers game, but if its a Pirates team photo, that seems really random. Unless.... remember that letter from National Chicle someone posted once requesting photos? Maybe they were just making use of photos supplied by the team.... We could probably speculate forever - let me know if you have an opinion. Thanks Again.

jefferyepayne · #2 01-14-2015, 09:44 PM

Lots of thoughts and opinions on this set.

It's been expressed before that the Chicle set was supposed to have 240 players in it according to info on the back. Assuming this was true, they were likely planning many, many more premiums as well. 17 is a really odd number for a set!

My bet is that all of the individual photos (like Kostka) were slated to be cards in the set as well but they didn't get around to manufacturing them. We know from a letter sent from National Chicle to the Eagles that a collector has that Chicle had requested photos of every player on the roster.

Re: the numbering. If you look closely, all of the premiums are in alphabetical order by title (first the individual players and then the action/team photos) with the exception of Cotton and Ace at the end. My bet is that these two were discovered after the original checklist had been created so they just added them to the end instead of reordering them all and confusing people who already had the checklist by number. The backs are blank.

#1 Joe Bach was head coach of the Pittsburgh Pirates and one of the seven mules who blocked for the four horseman of notre dame. He has a card in the 1952 Bowman set (one of the coaches cards)

#6 Joe Maniaci of Fordham played for the Bears and Dodgers in the NFL

#8 Walter Switzer of Cornell

#15 Dixie Howell of Alabama played briefly for the Skins in the NFL

#16 Cotton Warburton of USC turned down an offer to play for the Bears and went into business in Hollywood

jeff

TanksAndSpartans · #3 01-15-2015, 10:00 AM

Thanks Jeff. Wow another (Rockne) Chicle/Notre Dame connection - I had no idea.

Great info across the board - I appreciate it. I'm glad this set got a thread.

jefferyepayne · #4 01-15-2015, 02:07 PM

Let's keep it rolling! I'm hoping this thread will encourage other collectors to start picking these up and work on the set.

For an unknown reason, three of the premiums are extremely difficult to find. The rest you will see quite often.

Joe Bach is the most difficult to find and the most expensive premium in the set. I've only seen two of them come up for auction in the last 6 years. If you see one, grab it!

Walter Switzer. I snagged this one early on before I even realized how difficult it was to find. I got it in a lot of premiums I purchased all at once.

Tarzan (aka Christiansen) is a bear to find. This was the last premium I found to complete my set.

The Grange is fairly common but not cheap! One thing you can do is look for a Grange that has been misclassified on ebay. Because these premiums don't include information on what the set is, I've seen these mislabeled by sellers who don't know what they are. They just list it as a "photo" of Grange. Sometimes you can get it cheap when misclassified like this so watch for them.

Hope this helps.

jeff

TanksAndSpartans · #5 01-18-2015, 03:05 PM

Jeff, Could you please post the 3 team pictures? Are the players names listed? If not, are you able to list them? Especially wondering whether Mel Hein, Red Badgro, Bill Hewitt, George Musso, and Johnny Blood (Pirates?) snuck into the team pictures (since these were some more of the guys I would've liked to see in the main set). Thanks.

jefferyepayne · #6 01-18-2015, 04:23 PM

Yes, each photo has a caption with all of the players listed. Not sure you can see the names here either. Hein, Badgro, Hewitt, Musso are in the photos. No Johnny Blood as the Pirates photos says its of the 1935 club. Blood was on the Packers in 1935.

jeff

TanksAndSpartans · #7 01-18-2015, 07:02 PM

Awesome! Thanks Jeff - those are nice.

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