Is 5k too much?

DerekMichael · #1 01-19-2015, 05:01 PM

I do not think it will sell for $5k either.

The reason I say this is because it belongs to me, and anyone who knows me and has dealt with me through Ebay knows that I will give a nice discount when eliminating the Ebay and Paypal fees.

Just my two cents ...

iwantitiwinit · #2 01-19-2015, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DerekMichael

I do not think it will sell for $5k either.

The reason I say this is because it belongs to me, and anyone who knows me and has dealt with me through Ebay knows that I will give a nice discount when eliminating the Ebay and Paypal fees.

Just my two cents ...

Good to know thanks Derek, good luck with the sale. It's a nice card.

Sean · #3 01-19-2015, 05:25 PM

I don't think $5,000 is a bad price. I paid more that that for a Street/ Drum that was graded PSA 2. Of course I was doing a Street back run and really needed the card.
If you want a Drum, I think that it's a fair price. If you wait to find a cheaper Drum, you'll probably end up with one in poor condition.

ullmandds · #4 01-19-2015, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I don't think $5,000 is a bad price. I paid more that that for a Street/ Drum that was graded PSA 2. Of course I was doing a Street back run and really needed the card.
If you want a Drum, I think that it's a fair price. If you wait to find a cheaper Drum, you'll probably end up with one in poor condition.

I kinda agree with this sentiment!

DerekMichael · #5 01-19-2015, 05:39 PM

Again, it would be a shame if anyone clicked the "buy it now" button. They can save hundreds by sending a check and not waste their hard earned money lining Ebay's already ridiculously deep pockets.

Just saying ...

T206.org · #6 01-19-2015, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DerekMichael

Again, it would be a shame if anyone clicked the "buy it now" button. They can save hundreds by sending a check and not waste their hard earned money lining Ebay's already ridiculously deep pockets.

Just saying ...

Cheers to that, Derek. Good luck with the sale.

frankbmd · #7 01-19-2015, 06:50 PM

Some people need a drum more than others. Hi Derek.

iwantitiwinit · #8 01-19-2015, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I don't think $5,000 is a bad price. I paid more that that for a Street/ Drum that was graded PSA 2. Of course I was doing a Street back run and really needed the card.
If you want a Drum, I think that it's a fair price. If you wait to find a cheaper Drum, you'll probably end up with one in poor condition.

I also agree. I think of it like this there are 91 Magie's graded by PSA and a Magie in psa 1 is around 5k. There are a similar number of Drums graded by psa and this is a psa2 so I would think 5k is reasonable if not a bit inexpensive.

joshleland · #9 01-20-2015, 10:52 PM

Let me get this straight
Derek wants people to see it on eBay and then contact him directly so he can avoid the fees and save the buyer and himself some money because ebay already has too much money
And you're all cheering him on
Josh Evans

freakhappy · #10 01-21-2015, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by joshleland

Let me get this straight

Derek wants people to see it on eBay and then contact him directly so he can avoid the fees and save the buyer and himself some money because ebay already has too much money

And you're all cheering him on

Josh Evans

I think it just has to do with avoiding the middle man and saving money...really smart if you ask me and several others. eBay has a way of letting buyers get over on sellers, so that could be one less thing to deal with also.

If your message was tongue-in-cheek, josh...disregard this reply.

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Paul S · #11 01-21-2015, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by freakhappy

I think it just has to do with avoiding the middle man and saving money...really smart if you ask me and several others. eBay has a way of letting buyers get over on sellers, so that could be one less thing to deal with also.

If your message was tongue-in-cheek, josh...disregard this reply.

How is the middle man being avoided? The middle man's services are being utilized. Avoided = Evaded.

freakhappy · #12 01-21-2015, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul S

How is the middle man being avoided? The middle man's services are being utilized. Avoided = Evaded.

By not using them in the end transaction...

It's been this way for a long time on eBay. Is it illegal? If it was a big deal to eBay, they would penalize you for taking the auction or BIN down. I know they don't want it to happen, but like I said in my original post...eBay seems to let the buyer rip the seller off and lie about a transaction. I'd feel a lot better if I could do a transaction on here vs eBay.

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Paul S · #13 01-21-2015, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by freakhappy

By not using them in the end transaction...

It's been this way for a long time on eBay. Is it illegal? If it was a big deal to eBay, they would penalize you for taking the auction or BIN down. I know they don't want it to happen, but like I said in my original post...eBay seems to let the buyer rip the seller off and lie about a transaction. I'd feel a lot better if I could do a transaction on here vs eBay.

I understand what you're saying. Is it illegal? I don't know, I don't have an ebay account but I assume it's in their contract: whether or not they chose to enforce it is up to them, and if a seller is working "between the lines" of the agreement there is some rationalized breach.

That's why (and I won't pretend to interpret what others write here) that I highly doubt that Josh's post - a few posts above - was "tongue in cheek", or could be otherwise construed, unless the person reading it is also rationalizing how to work the ebay "system". ebay and Lelands are in the same business. (although ebay is really a facilitator as opposed to an AH acting as an agent for a consignor).

slipk1068 · #14 01-21-2015, 10:34 AM

Just because Derek tries to sell the card on Ebay doesn't mean the card is now property of Ebay. If he chooses to sell it on the side, good for him.

I don't know if Ebay has "too much money." I do think they are a monopoly that charges excessive fees, but I guess it is better than the fees charged by some of these auction houses.

iwantitiwinit · #15 01-21-2015, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by joshleland

Let me get this straight
Derek wants people to see it on eBay and then contact him directly so he can avoid the fees and save the buyer and himself some money because ebay already has too much money
And you're all cheering him on
Josh Evans

Absolutely not Josh! I happened to see this card on ebay and given that its rare to see a Drum, simply started a thread to discuss how much people anticipate it will sell for. I do not know Derek, nor did I solicit comments from someone selling the card. How could Derek have known someone would discuss this card.

I for one am glad he chimed in though it makes things fun.

MVSNYC · #16 01-21-2015, 06:44 AM

FWIW, I was the owner of this Drum prior to Derek. He traded me about $5k worth of cards for it, so I'd place the value there at a minimum.

Best-
MS

Mikehealer · #17 01-21-2015, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by joshleland

Let me get this straight
Derek wants people to see it on eBay and then contact him directly so he can avoid the fees and save the buyer and himself some money because ebay already has too much money
And you're all cheering him on
Josh Evans

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...hlight=lelands

DerekMichael · #18 01-21-2015, 01:48 PM

No hard feelings, of course. We are on the most entertaining baseball card forum that I know to exist, and I always expect to hear and see just about everything in my time here. I expect people to give their honest feedback.

I must say, however, that I did not advertise my card in any way that would suggest I prefer to go off of Ebay, and I had nothing to do with the creation of this thread. I simply commented when I saw the thread, and gave my fellow board members a heads up that clicking the "Buy It Now" is not necessary and that by doing so they would be wasting hundreds of their hard earned dollars.

Maybe it was not appropriate, maybe it really is ok. I guess that just comes down to someones personal opinion. I can say that the practice of listing on Ebay and ending the listing for a private sale is done routinely by various sellers, so the notion is not at all earth shattering in my eyes. Again, it is just one mans opinion.

Anyways, let it rip. I will be just fine.

Derek

Section103 · #19 01-21-2015, 01:59 PM

At the end of the day, there's nothing stopping someone from listing a BIN on eBay and a BIN here (or listed as "make an offer") on Net 54 at a lower price. It happens a lot and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

If the seller listed the card on eBay as an auction and tries to sell here, there is an inherent problem, but that's not what we're dealing with here.

1952boyntoncollector · #20 01-21-2015, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DerekMichael

No hard feelings, of course. We are on the most entertaining baseball card forum that I know to exist, and I always expect to hear and see just about everything in my time here. I expect people to give their honest feedback.

I must say, however, that I did not advertise my card in any way that would suggest I prefer to go off of Ebay, and I had nothing to do with the creation of this thread. I simply commented when I saw the thread, and gave my fellow board members a heads up that clicking the "Buy It Now" is not necessary and that by doing so they would be wasting hundreds of their hard earned dollars.

Maybe it was not appropriate, maybe it really is ok. I guess that just comes down to someones personal opinion. I can say that the practice of listing on Ebay and ending the listing for a private sale is done routinely by various sellers, so the notion is not at all earth shattering in my eyes. Again, it is just one mans opinion.

Anyways, let it rip. I will be just fine.

Derek

Ebay actually has a listed reason to take down an item early as 'item no longer available' I think ebay assume people can be trying to sell the card as well off ebay....I see ZERO problem selling a card off ebay...again ebay provides ebay protections and etc that are lost in direct transactions...to each their own...

PowderedH2O · #21 01-24-2015, 05:48 PM

One of the largest sellers of PSA graded cards is 4SharpCorners. Virtually every card they sell is listed on ebay. They also have their own site and the listings are the same, but usually about 5-10% cheaper and the shipping is significantly lower than on ebay. I've seen cards on ebay that I wanted then went to their site to save a few bucks. Ebay gets nothing. I am sure there are many other merchants that operate the same way. Good luck with your sale Derek.

PM770 · #22 01-21-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikehealer

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...hlight=lelands

Thanks for posting this link, Mike. I missed it the first time around.

Mikehealer · #23 01-21-2015, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by PM770

Thanks for posting this link, Mike. I missed it the first time around.

Your welcome Paul.

wolf441 · #24 01-19-2015, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DerekMichael

I do not think it will sell for $5k either.

The reason I say this is because it belongs to me, and anyone who knows me and has dealt with me through Ebay knows that I will give a nice discount when eliminating the Ebay and Paypal fees.

Just my two cents ...

Good luck Derek! I think you'll get close to $5K for it. Based on recent sales, that's not an unreasonable price.

DerekMichael · #25 01-19-2015, 07:33 PM

Thank you for the kind words and well wishes gents. Hopefully a nice match can be found, but who knows.

Unlike Tommy Lee Jones, I do bargain.

Hi Doc

Jewish-collector · #26 01-20-2015, 03:22 PM

I love it when a buyer/seller talks about a card for auction/sale and the seller/buyer is actually an active member of the forum too. Makes for great discussions !!!

freakhappy · #27 01-20-2015, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

I love it when a buyer/seller talks about a card for auction/sale and the seller/buyer is actually an active member of the forum too. Makes for great discussions !!!

+1

It's almost like we go inside the collector's guild when this happens. Questions are answered and we find out more than we bargained for...plus Derek is a class act, so nothing less would be expected here

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Al C.risafulli · #28 01-20-2015, 06:59 PM

I think $5K is entirely possible, given the infrequency that Drum backs make themselves available, and how much LESS frequently they become available outside an auction environment where a whale or two can drive the price.

Good luck with the sale!

-Al