Thought I'd Share (Ebay 1986 Fleer Pack Scam-2012)

1963Topps Set · #1 01-23-2015, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Donscards

On cards or items over $250, you have to have signature confirmation, tracking will not help---ebay and paypal require a signature or you will lose your case unless they have a signature---Delivery confirmation doesnt count with tracking---you need the signature, that is why they lost the case along with many other ebay sellers---always use signature confirmation if you want to protect yourself from scammers.

I don't agree. Anyone can sign for a delivery confirmation. Husbands signs for wife, parent signs for child, etc.. There are many times someone signs the name on the package and not their own name. Delivery confirmation does NOT prove a package was delivered to the person it was destined for.

For example, my mother signs my name to a package for me. I say I didn't get it is not my handwriting on the pink slip. Now what, you have to pay?

Now Restricted Delivery is another thing. In that case, ONLY the person who the package is destined for can sign for it and they need proper Identification to do so.

Ebay's case is very weak (if indeed they ever had a case) and certainly did not protect the seller here. What a crock!

Donscards · #2 01-23-2015, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set

I don't agree. Anyone can sign for a delivery confirmation. Husbands signs for wife, parent signs for child, etc.. There are many times someone signs the name on the package and not their own name. Delivery confirmation does NOT prove a package was delivered to the person it was destined for.

For example, my mother signs my name to a package for me. I say I didn't get it is not my handwriting on the pink slip. Now what, you have to pay?

Now Restricted Delivery is another thing. In that case, ONLY the person who the package is destined for can sign for it and they need proper Identification to do so.

Ebay's case is very weak (if indeed they ever had a case) and certainly did not protect the seller here. What a crock!

What I am saying it that Ebay and Paypal need signature confirmation on any item over $250---if you dont get the signature, they will side with the buyer on all cases---it has to be signature confirmation---Delivery confirmation doesnt cut it with ebay , they want the signature.

1963Topps Set · #3 01-23-2015, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Donscards

What I am saying it that Ebay and Paypal need signature confirmation on any item over $250---if you dont get the signature, they will side with the buyer on all cases---it has to be signature confirmation---Delivery confirmation doesnt cut it with ebay , they want the signature.

I understand that. What I am saying is signature confirmation does NOT prove the person, for whom the package is destined for, received it. For the reasons explained in my previous post.

abothebear · #4 01-23-2015, 08:28 PM

yes, but it does take the responsibility off of the seller. No matter who signs, a signature act shifts the responsibility for the destination of the package to the signer and/or the one recording the signature. maybe?

nolemmings · #5 01-23-2015, 08:55 PM

Sorry for your loss, but am wondering why you it's been more than two years since this event before you're telling us about it.

1963Topps Set · #6 01-23-2015, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by abothebear

yes, but it does take the responsibility off of the seller. No matter who signs, a signature act shifts the responsibility for the destination of the package to the signer and/or the one recording the signature. maybe?

So, if I sent you a package with delivery confirmation and someone else signs for it with your name, then steals it, you don't get the package, I have to pay for it?

Sean1125 · #7 01-24-2015, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 1963Topps Set

So, if I sent you a package with delivery confirmation and someone else signs for it with your name, then steals it, you don't get the package, I have to pay for it?

Theoretically - yes. I would hope no stranger is sitting inside your house who is able to sign your name or you might have larger problems than a missing package.

Exhibitman · #8 01-24-2015, 08:10 AM

It is not about whether the buyer gets the item it is about PayPal policies. If you want to be covered by the PayPal seller protections for an item over the arbitrary value limit it sets you have to send priority with delivery and signature confirmations. Do that and if the buyer says it never arrived you won't have to pay. Don't do it and you lose automatically. Not really complicated.

1963Topps Set · #9 01-24-2015, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean1125

Theoretically - yes. I would hope no stranger is sitting inside your house who is able to sign your name or you might have larger problems than a missing package.

Who says it has to be a stranger? It could be a family member. I have seen many family members at each other's throats. It could also be a "friend". Who says they have to be inside the house? There are many intangibles working here.

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