Ruth and Gehrig Balls - Authentic?

Klrdds · #1 02-01-2015, 02:01 PM

If you are sincere and not fishing then my recommendation is to educate yourself to gain confidence in your opinion first, and then rely on this site to confirm your opinion, not the other way around. Get resources such as Ron K's book ( use it as a reference but not an end all be all decision maker ), go to PSA autograph facts web page, check out Hauls of Shame web site, and get in with Richard Simon and Jim Stinson as dealers on this stuff, and trust a few AHs, and learn not to rely on TPAs or COAs.
If you not an experienced collector buying a Ruth or Gehrig item, let alone a ball, it can cost you several thousands of dollars in mistakes.....somewhat like being signed to a MLB contract at 17 yo and going straight to the majors and facing MLB pitching ...you will get burned.
Remember any purchase you make good or bad is still yours no matter what this site or others say.

VAYankee · #2 02-01-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Klrdds

If you are sincere and not fishing then my recommendation is to educate yourself to gain confidence in your opinion first, and then rely on this site to confirm your opinion, not the other way around. Get resources such as Ron K's book ( use it as a reference but not an end all be all decision maker ), go to PSA autograph facts web page, check out Hauls of Shame web site, and get in with Richard Simon and Jim Stinson as dealers on this stuff, and trust a few AHs, and learn not to rely on TPAs or COAs.
If you not an experienced collector buying a Ruth or Gehrig item, let alone a ball, it can cost you several thousands of dollars in mistakes.....somewhat like being signed to a MLB contract at 17 yo and going straight to the majors and facing MLB pitching ...you will get burned.
Remember any purchase you make good or bad is still yours no matter what this site or others say.

Thanks. I did do some research before coming here. In fact, that's what led me here. I've done some of the things already that you've listed - reviewed the PSA website, read lots of stuff on Hauls of Same (although it's hard to tell if Nash is being completely objective - he's not the most upstanding citizen either), I trust Hunt Auctions, Lelands and Heritage, although I haven't purchased anything from Heritage yet, although I admittedly rely on TPA/COAs from PSA more than I should. That said, I don't trust JSA certs as much, I don't have any concrete reason why, other than it seems he certifies everything. Could just be my perspective. Perhaps I have it all backwards - I should trust JSA more than PSA. No doubt I need to do more research, especially after this thread. I'm glad I trusted my instincts that the Ruth ball was fake and came here to confirm my suspicions.

shelly · #3 02-01-2015, 04:39 PM

If you really did your work. Those two items should have never been posted with the question are they authentic.
The other thing you should do check out JDE. They are as bad as CC.

VAYankee · #4 02-01-2015, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by shelly

If you really did your work. Those two items should have never been posted with the question are they authentic.
The other thing you should do check out JDE. They are as bad as CC.

You're entitled to your opinion. However, for probably the 3rd or 4th time, I was looking for assurances that what I believed was likely a fake, was a fake. I did try to check out JDE, but honestly didn't fund much although I wasn't very persistent at first, because, again, they came recommended to me by my best friend, who sounded as though he had done his research.

shelly · #5 02-01-2015, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by VAYankee

You're entitled to your opinion. However, for probably the 3rd or 4th time, I was looking for assurances that what I believed was likely a fake, was a fake. I did try to check out JDE, but honestly didn't fund much although I wasn't very persistent at first, because, again, they came recommended to me by my best friend, who sounded as though he had done his research.

Your best friend like you should stay far far away from this hobby

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VAYankee · #6 02-01-2015, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shelly

Your best friend like you should stay far far away from this hobby

.

Shelly, I find your posts to be very antagonistic, and I'm not entirely sure why. Essentially, I should stay far, far away from this hobby because I'm not as experienced as you and others on this forum. Following that logic, most of the people on this forum should have left hobby years ago as well. I'm sure you'll respond along the lines that it's idiots like me that keep the forgers in business. Again, following that logic, a good number of those on this forum have kept the forgers going this long as you've made your mistakes, learned from them and the mistakes of others. All I'm trying to do is make an informed decision before making a purchase of a piece of baseball memorabilia in an industry where there are lots of forgeries. As such, I'm just like you and others here - just not as experienced - yet, so please don't patronize me.

VAYankee · #7 02-01-2015, 06:47 PM

Here's an update from the Broker. Looks like they really wanted a sale today.

"Tried to call you before I left for the evening. Seems we are getting nowhere trading emails. Want to see what it�s going to take, if anything humanly possible, to get you some of these bb�s you are missing out on, so you can start your own amazing collection, rather than admiring from afar.

Quite honestly, with the documented chain of command of ownership of these bb�s it is even more assured these are genuine signatures, than even professional 3rd party examiners who are rendering educated guesses after the fact."

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