Stupidity Rules the Day!!!!

Runscott · #1 02-02-2015, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

The play call before the half wasn't bad to you because it resulted in a TD. If the time had ran out and they didn't put any points on the board, I think you would have a different opinion. Just like you would have a different opinion had they scored a TD on their last offensive play of the game. If that had been a TD instead of an interception, would you still be saying it was a bad play call?

This is exactly what I mean by the hypocritical Seattle fans.

David, that's not how all Seattle fans felt. I agree that it should have been a field goal attempt, as did everyone who was watching the play with me. We let out a gasp of relief when he got the touchdown. Same for the Jon Ryan Pass against Green Bay. You get good with the bad with this offensive play-calling. Overall, I'll take it.

But I have to ask: why all the anger? Did you have a bad experience in Seattle? I would call Seattlites passive-aggressive, falling-off-the-cliff left-wing, hypocrites when it comes to screaming for change but then drinking a latte and letting the street kids do their marching, etc, etc., but not football hypocrites. That's crazy talk.

Runscott · #2 02-02-2015, 11:13 AM

HOW ABOUT THOSE SEATTLE MARINERS ??????!!!!!?????

We are going to win it all, baby!!!

vintagetoppsguy · #3 02-02-2015, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

David, that's not how all Seattle fans felt. I agree that it should have been a field goal attempt, as did everyone who was watching the play with me. We let out a gasp of relief when he got the touchdown. Same for the Jon Ryan Pass against Green Bay. You get good with the bad with this offensive play-calling. Overall, I'll take it.

But I have to ask: why all the anger? Did you have a bad experience in Seattle? I would call Seattlites passive-aggressive, falling-off-the-cliff left-wing, hypocrites when it comes to screaming for change but then drinking a latte and letting the street kids do their marching, etc, etc., but not football hypocrites. That's crazy talk.

Scott, I'm not angry, I'm confused. Here's what I'm confused about. The call to go for it with 6 seconds left in the half was EQUALLY as BAD as the call to pass it on 2nd and goal (when we can pretty much all agree that they should have given it to Lynch). So why are the Seattle fans only talking about the poor play call at the end of the game? Why no discussion about the poor play call to end the half? I'll tell you why. Because the bad play call to end the half resulted in a TD and the bad play call at the end of the game resulted in an interception. I think it's hypocritical to criticize one and not the other. They were both equally bad.

I also think that if that would have been a TD instead of an interception, Hawks fans would have been bragging about the brilliant play call. You know I'm right on that one.

Runscott · #4 02-02-2015, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Scott, I'm not angry, I'm confused. Here's what I'm confused about. The call to go for it with 6 seconds left in the half was EQUALLY as BAD as the call to pass it on 2nd and goal (when we can pretty much all agree that they should have given it to Lynch). So why are the Seattle fans only talking about the poor play call at the end of the game? Why no discussion about the poor play call to end the half? I'll tell you why. Because the bad play call to end the half resulted in a TD and the bad play call at the end of the game resulted in an interception. I think it's hypocritical to criticize one and not the other. They were both equally bad.

I also think that if that would have been a TD instead of an interception, Hawks fans would have been bragging about the brilliant play call. You know I'm right on that one.

No, you're wrong, both about the calls being equally bad, and about your hypothetical fan reaction to a play that didn't occur. I don't think you read my response where I clearly stated that, even though the first half play worked, EVERYONE who was watching it with me in Seattle (all strangers) thought the first half touchdown toss was an ill-advised decision. David, I have no reason to lie to you. You can relax and believe me. But I'll be okay either way.

Even with this weird anger of yours, you should be able to see that screwing up the first half play would not end the game as a loss, while the final interception did. This isn't rocket science.

But it's over and if you must gloat, you need to make better sense. No offense, but I'm just really surprised at some of your logic and some of your suppositions.

vintagetoppsguy · #5 02-02-2015, 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Runscott

Even with this weird anger of yours, you should be able to see that screwing up the first half play would not end the game as a loss, while the final interception did. This isn't rocket science.

You're correct, screwing up the first half play would not end the game as a loss. But if the first half play had gone awry then we wouldn't be having this discussion because the interception wouldn't have had an impact on the game - because of only being 4 points down, they would have been 11 points down. You're right, this isn't rocket science.

Edited to add: When I complained about the poor Green Bay play calling in the NFC championship game, you dismissed my comments and bragged about how well Seattle executed when they had to. Now you want to use poor play calling as an excuse instead of admitting that it was perfect execution by the Patriots.

D. Bergin · #6 02-02-2015, 12:14 PM

It wasn't a bad call because they threw the ball instead of handing it to Lynch. It was a bad call because it was a slant pattern to the middle of the field where everybody is already bunched up, because they are on the 1 Yard line..........and the throw itself barely made the line of scrimmage, let alone the goal line.

Wilson had plenty of time and protection. There was no reason for him to get rid of the ball that fast, with 2 downs left to get the TD. If they were going to throw it, the ball should have been pulled back to look for an obvious open guy in the endzone, and if it's not there, throw it away.

nebboy · #7 02-02-2015, 12:22 PM

The most stupid part of the game was the half time show. Game was a good one from the standpoint of my teams not playing. Close game untill the end drama and good plays!

vintagetoppsguy · #8 02-02-2015, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by D. Bergin

It wasn't a bad call because they threw the ball instead of handing it to Lynch. It was a bad call because it was a slant pattern to the middle of the field where everybody is already bunched up, because they are on the 1 Yard line..........and the throw itself barely made the line of scrimmage, let alone the goal line.

Wilson had plenty of time and protection. There was no reason for him to get rid of the ball that fast, with 2 downs left to get the TD. If they were going to throw it, the ball should have been pulled back to look for an obvious open guy in the endzone, and if it's not there, throw it away.

Agreed. And there was an obvious open guy in the endzone - Lynch. Watch the replay guys, he was wide open. Russell missed him.

Runscott · #9 02-02-2015, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

You're correct, screwing up the first half play would not end the game as a loss. But if the first half play had gone awry then we wouldn't be having this discussion because the interception wouldn't have had an impact on the game - because of only being 4 points down, they would have been 11 points down. You're right, this isn't rocket science.

Edited to add: When I complained about the poor Green Bay play calling in the NFC championship game, you dismissed my comments and bragged about how well Seattle executed when they had to. Now you want to use poor play calling as an excuse instead of admitting that it was perfect execution by the Patriots.

I didn't brag - I don't play football for the Seahawks. But now you're doing the 'straw man' thing. I haven't said that the Patriots were lucky, have I? It's two totally different situations and I do believe that the Packers made bad calls as well. The failure to return the interception with 5 minutes to go is just one example. But you also disagree with me on that...

This game had nothing to do with luck, and everything to do with play-calling and execution. Belechick, in my opinion, was making a huge gaff by not calling time-out in the last 45 seconds of the game. But perhaps he did that to pressure Carroll into making quick decisions that might result in an error? If so, I commend him. In any case, I'm not a coach or a player - just a fan. I'll get over this a lot quicker than they will, as will all the Seahawks fans. So the gloating isn't accomplishing anything other than making us wonder what your deal is? <== get the reference?

And no, I am not using 'poor play calling' as an excuse. If you have read my other posts, you will find one that commends Brady on his two touchdown drives, and that also posits that the Pats might very well have stopped the Seahawks on a goal-line stand, even if they ran Lynch at them.

I could toss out hypotheticals about how the Patriots fans, you and Bill Gregory and others, would have reacted if the Seahawks would have won, but that would be caca.

It was truly a great and classic game.

vintagetoppsguy · #10 02-02-2015, 12:39 PM

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It was truly a great and classic game.

True. I'll leave it at that.

And, FWIW, by no means am I Pats fan.

Runscott · #11 02-02-2015, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

True. I'll leave it at that.

And, FWIW, by no means am I Pats fan.

I now you aren't, and I would not have responded to your posts the way I did if I thought it would cause you and me to get pissed at one another. It really is just football - fans have to keep things in perspective.

I am still a Dallas Cowboys fan first, but Seahawks a strong second. So this has been an up-and-down playoffs for me. The Cowboy loss was depressing, but the play last night was horrifying. Not kidding. It would have been a lot easier to see the Patriots do to us what we did to the Broncos last year.

But I did have a great moment of perspective - I visited a kid in King County jail right before the game and he showed noticeable mental improvement. I got on the bus and made it back to Tacoma just in time for kick-off. It was tough leaving Seattle, as downtown was crazy - cops on horses, streets fenced off, etc. If the beer lines had been shorter, maybe I would have stayed. I thought about that kid last night after the game and realized that this is only football. If I were part of the Seahawk team, it would be real life, but it really isn't.

nolemmings · #12 02-02-2015, 12:47 PM

It was the worst play call I can ever recall in a Super Bowl. Don't tell me it takes a perfect defensive effort to stop that play. SOOOOOOO many things could go wrong-- ball glances off a lineman's helmet or fingers in the very narrow window provided; ball bounces off of receiver's hands or chest plate, all in the most congested part of the field where about a dozen guys could start volley-balling it around. That play is major-league dumbass in game one of the pre-season, let alone with the trophy on the line.

RUN the F'n ball, twice if you have to. One yard and possibly the toughest RB in the game, who just ripped off four, and you call that play. Unreal.

nolemmings · #13 02-02-2015, 12:52 PM

BTW, I disagree that the first-half ending play was a bad decision. If you can't get a 20 yard pass play done within 5 seconds you are no Super Bowl QB. I guess there was some risk of INT depending on the type of pass play (SEE BONEHEAD DECISION AT END OF GAME), but the strategic decision was fine by me. I didn't think it would work and they'd have to settle for 3, but as a neutral fan who doesn't like either team I thought the decision to go for it was fine.