OT: A Rod not the only cheater,,, Little League WS champs have title taken away

CurtisFlood · #1 02-11-2015, 12:12 PM

Typical of sports at the youth to high school levels. Traveling teams dominate tournaments and at times they continue the team stacking on high school courts, especially private schools. They dominate state tournaments playing against schools which generally follow the spirit of the rules. I've become sickened by it and no longer put much stock in high school sports.

ooo-ribay · #2 02-11-2015, 12:55 PM

It's the "adults," not he kids

This can't be helpful for the push to get black kids re-interested in the game.

Michael B · #3 02-11-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

It's the "adults," not he kids

This can't be helpful for the push to get black kids re-interested in the game.

I would disagree. The players from outside of the district knew that they did not belong on that team. They played in different districts and would have known that the players on the team that were from Chicago were not members of teams in their district. In prehistoric times when I played little league you knew who the good players were on the other teams in your league. We did not play against players in the other league in town and did not know them.

packs · #4 02-11-2015, 01:56 PM

I don't think this affects Little League or baseball in a negative way. It teaches children a valuable lesson: adults will do anything to ruin a good thing.

Hopefully the take away for these kids is that cheating is wrong and you will be caught.

darwinbulldog · #5 02-11-2015, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by packs

I don't think this affects Little League or baseball in a negative way. It teaches children a valuable lesson: adults will do anything to ruin a good thing.

Hopefully the take away for these kids is that cheating is wrong and you will be caught.

And don't trust anyone over 30.

celoknob · #6 02-11-2015, 02:07 PM

My son played baseball until this year, a sophomore in high schooll when it finally got to be too much. It was fun until he was about 12 or 13. Then came all the traveling, year round long practices and work outs (even the day after Christmas), manipulating and grooming them as if baseball was going to be their whole life. This is something I just don't understand.

Maybe he'll have a chance to actually have fun again we he's old and can play in the beer softball leagues. Fun not allowed as a kid.

oldjudge · #7 02-11-2015, 03:46 PM

Cheating is endemic. I am surprised when I hear about a person or persons not cheating, not when I hear about them cheating.

WhenItWasAHobby · #8 02-11-2015, 04:01 PM

This is an interesting development. My town, Pearland, Texas, had a team that was eliminated by the Chicago Team late in the playoffs.

I agree that Little League did the right thing by stripping them of their title.

packs · #9 02-11-2015, 04:20 PM

Mark Mulder played against JRW when he was a kid. He says they've been cheating as long as 25 years and everyone is aware.

frohme · #10 02-11-2015, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by WhenItWasAHobby

This is an interesting development. My town, Pearland, Texas, had a team that was eliminated by the Chicago Team late in the playoffs.

I agree that Little League did the right thing by stripping them of their title.

Funny coincidence - our organization supports an annual meeting of our IT development staffs around the world (45 or so people from 4 countries and 6 US cities). This year, we're in Boston for a week, and tonight we had a team event that had us on a bus to/from "F1 Boston" -a blast if you have the chance. Only downside is that traffic is still a mess due to the weather.

On the return trip, I happened to sit next to a developer from Boulder who's based in Houston ... when I asked "what part" he started to apologize, thinking I wouldn't have heard of Pearland, but I grew up in Clear Lake City and played against Pearland teams a number of times (though that was more years ago than I'd like to admit).

We talked about the town and baseball, and he told me of the Pearland team just two hours ago. Not w.r.t the Chicago game or the stripped title, but just the quality of the team ... it really is a small world.

--
Mike

bbcard1 · #11 02-12-2015, 08:18 AM

I am in the process of a slide into old farthood, however i will say that one of the worst things we do to kids is that we do not allow them to play sports without a uniform on and an adult present. There are so many organized leagues right now a kid never just learns the love of the game.

This is a big problem. Most of us do not become major leaguers, but in figuring out where we are going to play, agreeing on a set of rules, rallying the neighborhood kids and procuring equipment, we were developing management and leadership skills. Kids today mostly just do what adults tell them to. It's easier. They never have to worry about who has the bats and balls. And they get so much less out of learning the game than we did.

tschock · #12 02-12-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bbcard1

I am in the process of a slide into old farthood, however i will say that one of the worst things we do to kids is that we do not allow them to play sports without a uniform on and an adult present. There are so many organized leagues right now a kid never just learns the love of the game.

This is a big problem. Most of us do not become major leaguers, but in figuring out where we are going to play, agreeing on a set of rules, rallying the neighborhood kids and procuring equipment, we were developing management and leadership skills. Kids today mostly just do what adults tell them to. It's easier. They never have to worry about who has the bats and balls. And they get so much less out of learning the game than we did.

Hmmmm... Might lawsuit concerns, over protective parents, and a nanny-state mentality that over protects those children of parents that are NOT overprotective have something to do with it?

jp1216 · #13 02-12-2015, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bbcard1

I am in the process of a slide into old farthood, however i will say that one of the worst things we do to kids is that we do not allow them to play sports without a uniform on and an adult present. There are so many organized leagues right now a kid never just learns the love of the game.

I agree ^^. My town has set up a great program 2-3 days a week in the summer. 9am to noon. Parents drop off their kids at the field and leave. Or they can ride their bikes (with or without helmet

) One adult (an all time pitcher/umpire) facilitates. Wooden bats. Ages 7-16. Boys and girls. It's wonderful. Kids LOVE it. You can park about 100 yards away (to spy) and see it.
I also coach a 9 year-old travel team. Outside pressures can be great, but I'm very lucky to have a good group of parents. Set your goals and remember they are kids. Teaching/coaching is more important that trophies.
Good for Little League to strip that title. Too bad the research wasn't done sooner. Too bad they can't look at rosters and sniff out this stuff before Williamsport.

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