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[jcc6252]

Steve, awesome detective work, I think you unearthed the problem! Now the question is: If you notified Probstein, would they have enough integrity to pull the card and send it back to PSA to get it corrected?

[cammb]

What do those bidders see that we don't. The answer? The holder, not the card.

[Hammerin'Hank]

Originally Posted by jcc6252

Steve, awesome detective work, I think you unearthed the problem! Now the question is: If you notified Probstein, would they have enough integrity to pull the card and send it back to PSA to get it corrected?

Probstein is probably not the owner of the card. Its probably a consignment.

[vintagetoppsguy]

The bottom right corner is really bad (you can really tell from the back scan). The cards is a PSA 4 O/C in my opinion.

[Cowboy Fan]

I submitted BLAZING 1972's and they came back 6 or 7 so yea this kinda pisses me off

[pclpads]

Wow! Just Wow! Rookie grader . . . first day on the job . . . first card graded.

[Cowboy Fan]

I just posted it on CU forum....Anybody wanna bet I'm suspended by end of day?

[Leon]

To everyone in this thread, just a friendly reminder of our most important rule, which is at the top of every page-

"If you give an opinion of a person or company your full name needs to be in your post."


thanks

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Cowboy Fan

I just posted it on CU forum...

The thread lasted about 30 minutes on CU before they 'poofed' it. It looks like the original auction has been 'poofed' as well. Hopefully someone from PSA contacted Probstein and asked him to remove the listing so they could re-evaluate the card and assign it a proper grade.

Edited: It looks like eBay removed the listing. Had Probstein ended the auction early, it would still show as a completed listing. Since there is no record of it at all, that means eBay must have removed it.

[xplainer]

If I was a scammer, I would use PSA to grade and Probstein to sell them.
No doubt about it.

Push it through PSA, have Prob list it, and shill the crap out of it.

[Cowboy Fan]

Originally Posted by jcc6252

Steve, awesome detective work, I think you unearthed the problem! Now the question is: If you notified Probstein, would they have enough integrity to pull the card and send it back to PSA to get it corrected?

I messaged him asking that very thing. I'll post if he replies.

Bill Stair

[wilkiebaby11]

no need to read twice....

[wilkiebaby11]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

I dont think it was a mix up, where an 8 is now in a 4 holder and a 4 is in this 8 holder. I'm assuming that the two cards were from the same submission, that seems safe to assume. I am guessing that the grader accidentally wrote down or typed in the system 8 twice before the labels being printed off ...or... they looked at the same Mantle twice and graded "both" as an 8, not ever seeing the more obviously lower grade one.

In the end, I'm trying to chalk this up to a clerical mistake, not a mistake in that the grade actually think that this is worthy of an 8.

That's why I found the fact that two Mantles were graded back to back an important piece of this puzzle.

Foot in mouth.... I obviously took it upon myself to type in the incorrect numbers like I was assuming the grader did... Two Mantles were not submitted.

I'm wrong in that aspect, though the 23994673 which is actually a TANNER is an 8, so maybe the grader accidentally marked the Mantle incorrectly. O well. I dont know why I am defending PSA...

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by wilkiebaby11

they looked at the same Mantle twice and graded "both" as an 8, not ever seeing the more obviously lower grade one.

In the end, I'm trying to chalk this up to a clerical mistake, not a mistake in that the grade actually think that this is worthy of an 8.

That's why I found the fact that two Mantles were graded back to back an important piece of this puzzle.

Steve, where do you see two Mantles? The cert #s do not show two Mantles.

Edit: NM, I just saw your post right before mine.

[Cowboy Fan]

Here is the reply I got when asking the seller if they were going to pull the auction as it is grossly and incorrectly graded.

"we sell 23,000 auctions a month,,,,if its graded, then we sell it as is"

Guess the seller cares more for the $$$$ than his integrity in the hobby...Sad.

Bill Stair

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by Cowboy Fan

"we sell 23,000 auctions a month,,,,if its graded, then we sell it as is"

That says a lot about his character.

So, if he receives a fake, counterfeit or forgery, he's going to sell it as long as it's graded? It's amazing how people can still defend this guy.

[Republicaninmass]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

That says a lot about his character.

So, if he receives a fake, counterfeit or forgery, he's going to sell it as long as it's graded? It's amazing how people can still defend this guy.

NOT surprised people sending their stuff for HIM to sell