Ethical to sell 1952 Mantle PSA 8 uncracked case

AustinMike · #1 02-14-2015, 03:40 PM

Maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there, but ... when I look at the scans in the listing, I see major league frosting in all 4 sides of the case. Does anyone else? Isn't frosting a sure sign of a tampered with case?

Stonepony · #2 02-14-2015, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by AustinMike

Maybe I'm seeing something that isn't there, but ... when I look at the scans in the listing, I see major league frosting in all 4 sides of the case. Does anyone else? Isn't frosting a sure sign of a tampered with case?

That's what I see. Whole thing is a joke

Rollingstone206 · #3 02-14-2015, 06:26 PM

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xplainer · #4 02-14-2015, 06:52 PM

I sent him a message telling him he is a scammer and is assisting other scammers. I called him scum of the hobby. I expect no answer. He is pos for doing this.

RichardSimon · #5 02-14-2015, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by xplainer

I sent him a message telling him he is a scammer and is assisting other scammers. I called him scum of the hobby. I expect no answer. He is pos for doing this.

Why does the baseball collecting hobby collect the most despicable people that walk the earth? It is just sickening.

Leon · #6 02-14-2015, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Why does the baseball collecting hobby collect the most despicable people that walk the earth? It is just sickening.

It's pretty much a microcosm of society, no better or worse, in my opinion. For those of us that don't cheat and only want to have fun collecting (admittedly I do make some money from the hobby, but my first passion is collecting), it makes it challenging sometimes.

xplainer · #7 02-14-2015, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

It's pretty much a microcosm of society, no better or worse, in my opinion. For those of us that don't cheat and only want to have fun collecting (admittedly I do make some money from the hobby, but my first passion is collecting), it makes it challenging sometimes.

Leon, it's not about making money, it's about cheating people and makng money on them.

Cheating people is never right. I know that's not you meant Leon. This crap must be m�t head on and disributed. We must speak out and tell the truth. This guy is a scammer and supplies other scammers.
- Jimmy

EvilKing00 · #8 02-14-2015, 09:24 PM

By usung an altered pic of the flip hes deff doing wrong by psa, and im sure they would want to know. I sent him an email too.

Leon · #9 02-14-2015, 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xplainer

Leon, it's not about making money, it's about cheating people and makng money on them.

Cheating people is never right. I know that's not you meant Leon. This crap must be m�t head on and disributed. We must speak out and tell the truth. This guy is a scammer and supplies other scammers.
- Jimmy

Cheating and fraud is never good. This board has been quite good, historically speaking, about rooting a lot of it out.

Peter_Spaeth · #10 02-14-2015, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Why does the baseball collecting hobby collect the most despicable people that walk the earth? It is just sickening.

It's endemic to any line of business or other activity where money is involved, baseball cards are nothing special in this regard.

xplainer · #11 02-14-2015, 07:42 PM

Ok. Reported it with ebay as fraudulent posting. Also sent email to PSA. That will be Tuesday. Did what I can. This really pisses me off. Big time.

freakhappy · #12 02-14-2015, 07:50 PM

I can see where this sort of thing (empty Mantle flip) can be a collector's item, but unfortunately...it cannot be a collector's item because of the damage it can do to the hobby. I want to give the seller the benefit of the doubt, but if he doesn't listen to Frank and take what he's saying serious, then it's obvious that he only cares about the amount of money he can gain from it.

Fuddjcal · #13 02-19-2015, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by RichardSimon

Why does the baseball collecting hobby collect the most despicable people that walk the earth? It is just sickening.

I agree wholeheartedly

Tom S. · #14 02-14-2015, 07:02 PM

Wouldn't taking a picture of a real flip and reusing it be construed as copyright infringement in the eyes of PSA? Potentially getting this guy into a lot of hot water?

If his National "story" was true, that guy should have taken the $68K and ran. If it was me, I would have blown it all on overpriced cocktails and Ferris wheel rides.

xplainer · #15 02-14-2015, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom S.

Wouldn't taking a picture of a real flip and reusing it be construed as copyright infringement in the eyes of PSA? Potentially getting this guy into a lot of hot water?

If his National "story" was true, that guy should have taken the $68K and ran. If it was me, I would have blown it all on overpriced cocktails and Ferris wheel rides.

I'm sure the National story is another lie. If psa was open , I'd call them myself. This is incredible. Thanks OP for making this aware to us.

CardboardCollector · #16 02-14-2015, 07:16 PM

Why would a dealer at the National offer $68K unless he miss represented it. It looks like he is saying it's good enough to fool a dealer.

toledo_mudhen · #17 02-15-2015, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom S.

If his National "story" was true, that guy should have taken the $68K and ran. If it was me, I would have blown it all on overpriced cocktails and Ferris wheel rides.

Really? - Ferris Wheel Rides?

xplainer · #18 02-15-2015, 08:14 AM

Here is his response to my message through eBay:

I never intended for the case to be sold for an insane amount of money. When I used the case to have fun with my friends I never tried to sell it. I do think there is some value to it just as a novelty item as i explained in my description. I completely understand your point that someone may try to use it in a fraudulent way but that never crossed my mind until others mentioned it. A scammer is always going to try and scam. Hopefully the message board and even other collectors can learn from this case and auction to really inspect a card and not just trust the case (PRO Grading is a prime example). I feel I was as honest as possible in the description and was very responsible with the case. A toy gun if misused can be utilized in the wrong way but toy companies still sell them. That is not the toy company's intent nor is fraudulent activity mine. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

EvilKing00 · #19 02-15-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by xplainer

Here is his response to my message through eBay:

I never intended for the case to be sold for an insane amount of money. When I used the case to have fun with my friends I never tried to sell it. I do think there is some value to it just as a novelty item as i explained in my description. I completely understand your point that someone may try to use it in a fraudulent way but that never crossed my mind until others mentioned it. A scammer is always going to try and scam. Hopefully the message board and even other collectors can learn from this case and auction to really inspect a card and not just trust the case (PRO Grading is a prime example). I feel I was as honest as possible in the description and was very responsible with the case. A toy gun if misused can be utilized in the wrong way but toy companies still sell them. That is not the toy company's intent nor is fraudulent activity mine. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

lmao - he sent me the same exact responce

sycks22 · #20 02-15-2015, 08:51 AM

"I am not trying to scam anyone. I went into great detail to be as specific as possible"

That's what he wrote me. What a joke.

bnorth · #21 02-15-2015, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by xplainer

Here is his response to my message through eBay:

I never intended for the case to be sold for an insane amount of money. When I used the case to have fun with my friends I never tried to sell it. I do think there is some value to it just as a novelty item as i explained in my description. I completely understand your point that someone may try to use it in a fraudulent way but that never crossed my mind until others mentioned it. A scammer is always going to try and scam. Hopefully the message board and even other collectors can learn from this case and auction to really inspect a card and not just trust the case (PRO Grading is a prime example). I feel I was as honest as possible in the description and was very responsible with the case. A toy gun if misused can be utilized in the wrong way but toy companies still sell them. That is not the toy company's intent nor is fraudulent activity mine. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

Ok I am going to be different here. This has got to be the stupidest thread I have seen on Net54 in my short time being here. Seller is 100% saying it is a novelty item with the case not even resealed. Why the hell is everyone flipping out on this when we have real issues with scammers. Hell we even have scammers(yes more than 1) on this board now that for some reason people won't out.

The best part is some of the people posting how terrible this novelty item is use Problemstein to sell their cards.LOL

What next are you going to form a gang to harass fellow member Bob Lemke because he makes "custom" cards that someone could in the future try to scam someone with. Sorry Bob just using you as an example I like your and everyone else's custom cards.

EvilKing00 · #22 02-15-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bnorth

Ok I am going to be different here. This has got to be the stupidest thread I have seen on Net54 in my short time being here. Seller is 100% saying it is a novelty item with the case not even resealed. Why the hell is everyone flipping out on this when we have real issues with scammers. Hell we even have scammers(yes more than 1) on this board now that for some reason people won't out.

What next are you going to form a gang to harass fellow member Bob Lemke because he makes "custom" cards that someone could in the future try to scam someone with. Sorry Bob just using you as an example I like your and everyone else's custom cards.

if I was selling fake $50 bills on ebay for $5, saying they were fake but looked real would that be ok?

1952boyntoncollector · #23 02-15-2015, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xplainer

Here is his response to my message through eBay:

I never intended for the case to be sold for an insane amount of money. When I used the case to have fun with my friends I never tried to sell it. I do think there is some value to it just as a novelty item as i explained in my description. I completely understand your point that someone may try to use it in a fraudulent way but that never crossed my mind until others mentioned it. A scammer is always going to try and scam. Hopefully the message board and even other collectors can learn from this case and auction to really inspect a card and not just trust the case (PRO Grading is a prime example). I feel I was as honest as possible in the description and was very responsible with the case. A toy gun if misused can be utilized in the wrong way but toy companies still sell them. That is not the toy company's intent nor is fraudulent activity mine. I appreciate the conversation. Thanks

right even a real gun can be used safely or misused...its the method it which its available and other factors that can make the gun manufacturer liable for the acts of thugs..

in this case, hes like an ostrich head in the sand....his description shows that he likes to use lots and lots of words..and he can always respond to your messages with his use of lots and lots of words...but novelty item or not...$200+ he knows its wrong...no matter how many words he uses..

freakhappy · #24 02-15-2015, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by toledo_mudhen

Really? - Ferris Wheel Rides?

Cleveland National reference I believe...

KCRfan1 · #25 02-15-2015, 12:43 PM

So, the seller has admittedly producing a counterfeit PSA label and counterfeit Mantle to " fool friends ". And I agree with others that ethically, there is a problem here. The seller knows exactly what is going to happen with the card once sold, but does not seem to care. He did say " God Bless " though...gotta laugh at the hypocrisy.

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