Lesson learned; Max bid on eBay

[glchen]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

I have two questions for you, Gary.

1) If the auction was shilled (which you clearly infer), why didn't the shiller run Dan's bid up to the max? After all, nothing was stopping him.

2) The only bidder that could have shilled that auction would have been n***i (593). So, here is another auction with the same NARU'd user. Who is the shiller on this one since obviously n***i (593) didn't bid in this one?

I would love to hear some more of your wisdom.

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565

David, clearly we are working off of different definitions of shill bidding. For you, it looks like shilling only means when artificial bids are created that run the winning bid up to their max bid. For me, shilling is any artificial bids created by the seller/consignor (or someone related) with the intention of increasing the final price of the item.

As I said in my initial post in this thread (#24), the consignor may have had a hidden reserve that he wanted to be met. Therefore, he shilled to drive the price up to his reserve price. He may have stopped at that point because he thought that price was sufficient for him, or he may have stopped because he had seen this thread so didn't want to bring additional attention to himself.

For the second auction that you are showing, the consignor may have decided that no additional shilling was necessary because the price at that point already surpassed his hidden reserve.

Again, my point here is that unless you know who the consignor and bidders are, you really do not know if you are being shilled or not. Once ebay started masking bidder id's, it made it significantly more difficult to determine if there is shilling going on. I remember a while back, Jeff believed that he was shilled in a PWCC auction for a Cobb card. However, in that instance, I was the consignor to PWCC for that item. I asked PWCC who the underbidder in that auction was, and I sent that ebay id over to Jeff to try to prove to him that no shilling occurred in that auction. So unless the consignor for these items speaks up, and then provides the identities for the bidders in question, we really won't know what really happened in these auctions.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glchen

As I said in my initial post in this thread (#24), the consignor may have had a hidden reserve that he wanted to be met.

As you ALSO said in your initial post, "that bidder was a 0 feedback bidder so it could have just been a new account created to see what the max bid was."

Come one, Gary, if your going to make ridiculous comments, back them up. You clearly inferred that n***i (593) created the 0 feedback bidder to see what the max bid was. So, where is n***i (593) in the second auction? Where is the shill in this auction?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...565&rmvSB=true

In other words, what was the 0 feedback user's motivation for bidding on it?

[glchen]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

As you ALSO said in your initial post, "that bidder was a 0 feedback bidder so it could have just been a new account created to see what the max bid was."

Come one, Gary, if your going to make ridiculous comments, back them up. You clearly inferred that n***i (593) created the 0 feedback bidder to see what the max bid was. So, where is n***i (593) in the second auction? Where is the shill in this auction?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...565&rmvSB=true

In other words, what was the 0 feedback user's motivation for bidding on it?

David, why does every action need to be linked with the same id's in both? Couldn't n***i (593) not bid in that auction or instead use a different account just to throw you off?

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glchen

David, why does every action need to be linked with the same id's in both? Couldn't n***i (593) not bid in that auction or instead use a different account just to throw you off?

Yes, clearly some elaborate scheme by the seller to use multiple accounts and even create new ones, all in an effort to shill his auctions.

Your ignorance is amazing!

[glchen]

Originally Posted by vintagetoppsguy

Yes, clearly some elaborate scheme by the seller to use multiple accounts and even create new ones, all in an effort to shill his auctions.

Your ignorance is amazing!

David, I'm just going to have to move on and agree to disagree with you in this case. What I find amazing is your inclination to not read my entire posts and just try to pick and choose my statements that seem to fit your thesis. I have stated that I do not know unequivocally what occurred in these auctions. You seem to know exactly what went down. More power to you.

[vintagetoppsguy]

Originally Posted by glchen

You seem to know exactly what went down. More power to you.

Actually, I do know exactly what went down because I had someone PM me with more details after I posted what I did in Post #17.

I won't reveal that user's name or what he said since it was said in private, but I have a little more information than you do.

[Peter_Spaeth]

The old, I know more than you but I can't tell you what even though I wish I could thing.