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Old 03-17-2015, 05:01 PM
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I also want to add that I think Jackson is far more innocent than Rose. While I never bought into the whole illiterate Rube argument that he didn't know what was going on, there are some books on the 1919 scandal that have claimed Jackson didn't receive any money until after the Series and that he then twice tried to turn the money in. The first instance was the morning after the Series (also the morning after he was given the money), but Harry Grabiner wouldn't let Joe see Comiskey, who was already trying to insulate himself. The second time was when Grabiner went to South Carolina over the winter to get Joe to sign his 1920 contract.

We all know there are dozens of versions of who tried their best, who didn't, who was paid when, etc. Joe may be guilty, but in my mind, it is just as likely that he is innocent. Opinions certainly vary on that and we will never know for certain, but my real point is that there is a mountain of information condemning Rose. There is a better argument to clear both Buck AND Joe before Pete. In all honesty, it might be in baseball's best interest to do none of the above.
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This proclamation is certainly after the fact.

"Regardless of the verdict of juries, no player who throws a ball game, no player who undertakes or promises to throw a ball game, no player who sits in confidence with a bunch of crooked ballplayers and gamblers, where the ways and means of throwing a game are discussed and does not promptly tell his club about it, will ever play professional baseball"
I can agree that the notion of placing an affirmative duty on someone to report a fix, as opposed to participating in the conspiracy itself, is something that may not have been articulated well (or at all) before 1919, and thus view Weaver's case somewhat differently if you believe he opted out. Still, before that time players had been been banned for conspiring with gamblers; heck even for contract jumping, so it wasn't a huge stretch to at least fear a lifetime ban if you were known to have "associated with gamblers", even if they were your own teammates.
Remember too that Weaver et al were charged with crimes of conspiracy, which would have effectively ended their careers had they been found guilty and thus in essence imposed a form of banishment apart from baseball's own decision-making. Seems to me if I do something that might be criminal it would occur to me that my profession might take a dim view of it as well, such that I shouldn't be surprised if I am disciplined even if my exact situation might not have arisen before with others. It's a shame it put him in a posiion of ratting out his friends or going down with them, but given the enormity of the scandal and how it could have completely ruined baseball, I can see why Landis took an aggressive approach with the rod.
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