T206 checklist by Frank Nagy -- 19 backs??

[ullmandds]

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...=123604&page=2

[trdcrdkid]

Thanks, Pete! That 2010 thread pretty much tells the story. I should have thought to do a search, but I also thought Nagy's back list was worth posting in its own right. I assume he probably got the idea of a Hustler T206 from the ACC, but if so, it's interesting that that he considered T213-1 and T215-1 to be T206s, given that Burdick apparently did not. Tonight I'll have to dig out my copy of the ACC, which is the 1980s reprint of the 1960 edition.

[toppcat]

Backs aside, where did those distribution dates for T206 come from?

[Sean]

Originally Posted by toppcat

Backs aside, where did those distribution dates for T206 come from?

I was wondering the same thing. Those dates can't be correct.

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by Sean

I was wondering the same thing. Those dates can't be correct.

Yeah, I was kind of wondering the same thing when I posted it. I didn't think the 460 series was issued as early as late 1909. I know people have studied this using newspaper ads for the set and similar things. I'll have to check my books tonight when I get home.

[trdcrdkid]

OK, I've done a little research, and I think I see where Nagy's dates come from. According to Scott A. Reader's "Inside T206", February 17, 1909 (the date given by Nagy for the launch of the 150 Series) is when Wid Conroy was purchased by the Washington Senators from the New York Highlanders, so the 150/350 Series T206 of him with Washington must have been designed after that date. However, that doesn't mean the series was issued ON that date, and anyway the evidence (much of it described by Reader) indicates that this series was not actually distributed until the early summer of 1909.

Reader also notes that Neal Ball was purchased by Cleveland from New York on May 18, 1909 (Nagy's second date), so the 150/350 Series card of Ball with New York must have been designed before that date. But this doesn't say anything about when that series was launched.

I'm not sure where Nagy's April 1910 date for the end of the 350 Series comes from, but Reader argues that the 350 and 350/460 Series cards were launched in the first few months of 1910, based on artwork that had started to be created in August 1909 (based on the movement of players from team to team). Some backs came later; there is documentary evidence that the American Beauty 350 and Cycle 350 backs were launched in July 1910.

I'm not sure where Nagy's December 16, 1909 date for the launch of the 350/460 Series came from, but my best guess is the fact, noted by Reader, that Kid Elberfield was purchased by Washington from New York on December 14, 1909, and his 350 Series card depicts him with Washington. But that just means that the Elberfield card was designed/printed after that date, and is consistent with the above argument that the 350 and 350/460 Series were launched in early 1910.

Reader argues that the 460-only Series was launched in the fall of 1910 and that distribution ceased in the spring of 1911, ahead of the launch of T205. Packaging of Tolstoi T206s stopped on March 14, 1911, and distribution of Uzit T206s began four days later on March 18; however, it must have stopped after only a few weeks, which is why Uzits are so rare.

[Jantz]

Only 4 Doyles listed

[trdcrdkid]

Originally Posted by trdcrdkid

OK, I've done a little research, and I think I see where Nagy's dates come from. According to Scott A. Reader's "Inside T206", February 17, 1909 (the date given by Nagy for the launch of the 150 Series) is when Wid Conroy was purchased by the Washington Senators from the New York Highlanders, so the 150/350 Series T206 of him with Washington must have been designed after that date. However, that doesn't mean the series was issued ON that date, and anyway the evidence (much of it described by Reader) indicates that this series was not actually distributed until the early summer of 1909.

Reader also notes that Neal Ball was purchased by Cleveland from New York on May 18, 1909 (Nagy's second date), so the 150/350 Series card of Ball with New York must have been designed before that date. But this doesn't say anything about when that series was launched.

I'm not sure where Nagy's April 1910 date for the end of the 350 Series comes from, but Reader argues that the 350 and 350/460 Series cards were launched in the first few months of 1910, based on artwork that had started to be created in August 1909 (based on the movement of players from team to team). Some backs came later; there is documentary evidence that the American Beauty 350 and Cycle 350 backs were launched in July 1910.

I'm not sure where Nagy's December 16, 1909 date for the launch of the 350/460 Series came from, but my best guess is the fact, noted by Reader, that Kid Elberfield was purchased by Washington from New York on December 14, 1909, and his 350 Series card depicts him with Washington. But that just means that the Elberfield card was designed/printed after that date, and is consistent with the above argument that the 350 and 350/460 Series were launched in early 1910.

Reader argues that the 460-only Series was launched in the fall of 1910 and that distribution ceased in the spring of 1911, ahead of the launch of T205. Packaging of Tolstoi T206s stopped on March 14, 1911, and distribution of Uzit T206s began four days later on March 18; however, it must have stopped after only a few weeks, which is why Uzits are so rare.

I'm reviving this thread from almost a year ago because I've solved the mystery of where Frank Nagy got his dates for the distribution of the three series of T206. (See the first post in this thread.) They were from an article by Walter E. Corson in the July-August 1962 issue of The Sport Hobbyist, "Issue Dates of T206 Cards", which I've posted below. Nagy's checklist then was printed (for the first time that I know of) in the March-April 1963 Sport Hobbyist, exactly as it appears in the first post in this thread.