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03-22-2015, 06:41 PM
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My sole surviving base ball OJ card
is the whitney with dog. Graded for continuity because my other 19th samples are. I collect many series and types of early cards and generally I'm graphics driven and on a budget. I do have some early images - to me a photograph starts with content and image quality. Not sure if the OJ's are cards with photographs on them or photographs on cards - that might impact one's perspective. I feel damage on a blank back only affects the price I want to negotiate
 and that the image itself is most important.
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03-22-2015, 07:02 PM
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This is the only one I own, bought it 30 years ago for @ $15.00. Why can't they just have a qualifier for the backs for example from glue residue to paper loss since this is a common issue, my thoughts
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03-22-2015, 07:50 PM
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Sorry for coming late to the party - was away for the weekend.
My "short" answer to the original question is that I neither need to have an Old Judge graded in order to determine whether I want to buy one nor need to have it graded after I have bought a raw one. That having been said, all of my Old Judges are graded. Not because I want the highest graded example of any of the players I have, but rather simply for the protection the encapsulation provides. Additionally, as previously mentioned, when the time comes to sell a graded card stands a better chance of selling for a better price. The grading companies continue to stick to their rigid rules for their technical grades, which don't apply universally to all card sets. Most Old Judge collectors, whether only casual or serious, would clearly agree that the image is the most important factor.
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03-22-2015, 10:31 PM
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Thanks for the further feedback, everybody. There seems to be a near-universal consensus that image quality (sharpness, contrast) is by far the most important factor for Old Judge collectors, and that back damage is not that big a deal, but not irrelevant either.
A neat illustration of the importance of image quality over technical grade came last week, when the same seller from whom I got that AUTH card in my original post had 10 Old Judges up for auction ending at the same time, all graded SGC 10 but with widely differing images. The final sale prices correlated very closely with the quality of those images, ranging from $39.90 for this beater with a dark image:  To $61.30 and $72.00 for these cards with faded photos:   On up to $199.50 and $203.49 for these two cards with beautiful, sharp photos (both of which I bid on but didn't win):   Just to be clear, I don't have anything against getting Old Judges graded. It's not really my thing personally, for basically the reasons Jay outlined, but I can definitely see the usefulness of getting a card protected in a slab, getting independent confirmation that it's genuine and unaltered (albeit with the problems Joe G outlined, and which I mentioned in my original post), and of increasing its resale value. Anybody can look at the image (and the back) and judge for themselves how attractive it is and what they would pay for it regardless of the number grade, as those eBay results illustrate. It would be nice if the grading companies could come up with a better way to grade Old Judges, but in the meantime the market seems to be handling the situation pretty well.
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03-23-2015, 01:40 PM
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That Fields card is trimmed, missing the "Goodwin & Co., New York" at the bottom
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03-23-2015, 05:26 PM
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