What is a scrap? Please explain.

[mrvster]

that's a great question....

theoretically, no scraps ever made it to a factory pack( but maybe a fluke that a few got packed in a cig pack, but the probabilities are very slim)

most, were taken home by the original printers, designers, or factory workers......some may have literally been picked out of the trash bins at the factory in manhattan....

these cards eventually made it into collections...

collectors had no idea what they were 100 years ago, and still don't today..



they are like finding little gems in a mine.....

they are incredible and give little clues into how the set was produced...

even after over 100 years ago, new discovers occur and really are incredible..

[ZenPop]

Originally Posted by mrvster

that's a great question....

theoretically, no scraps ever made it to a factory pack( but maybe a fluke that a few got packed in a cig pack, but the probabilities are very slim)

most, were taken home by the original printers, designers, or factory workers......some may have literally been picked out of the trash bins at the factory in manhattan....

these cards eventually made it into collections...

collectors had no idea what they were 100 years ago, and still don't today..



they are like finding little gems in a mine.....

they are incredible and give little clues into how the set was produced...

even after over 100 years ago, new discovers occur and really are incredible..

Thanks so much for the response... I completely agree about amazing they are. They are quickly becoming my FAVORITE thing about card collecting. They're the "Land of Misfit Toys" of cards... and every one is unique.

I guess the reason I assumed that a lot got in the pack is because I've seen some of the shabby quality control in card manufactures today and figure they were probably similar. But your response seems more apt.

One final question: I see the words "Overprint" on listings that I just see as registration problems. Clearly the colors didn't line up... so is "Overprint" just a handy dandy term to stick all misprints under?

[mrvster]

I totally agree with you! I always used the same phrase of the "misfits"

when you hear "over print" , it means the image was actually transferred using a print process and "intentional".....as where a wet sheet transfer would be "unintentionally" transferred as the image....

simply put, overprint means "struck" or "printed"

[Sean]

Hey Johnny, there is something else on that Chance besides the Cycle overprint. Any idea what it is?

[Jobu]

Sean - that looks like one backward Cycle and one forward Cycle to me.

John - while the term overprint can certainly apply to a scrap, for T206 you see the word overprint in a lot of descriptions because for some of the backs they took a completed back from one factory and ran it through the press a second time to print over the original factory name with another. You might be focusing on the front of the card and seeing registration problems because those are really common with T206 but chances are the owner is referring to the back. I have attached photos (not my cards) of one successful overprint and two where the overprint itself was misregistered so that you see the old factory, the new factory, and the block intended to cover the old factory.

[mrvster]

a cycle overprint on front forward and backwards.....id say the forward was a wst, but Chance has a piedmont back on that card!

they appear to be BOTH overprints.....plus Chance is a true no namer here.....i'll try to produce better pics

i'v been offered a ton for Chance, just can't part with it

[Sean]

Originally Posted by mrvster

plus chance is a true no namer here

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That's interesting. This Tinker overprint is also missing the name. Although a previous owner did write it on the bottom with a pencil.

I wish I had a better scanner.

[ZenPop]

Originally Posted by Jobu

Sean - that looks like one backward Cycle and one forward Cycle to me.

John - while the term overprint can certainly apply to a scrap, for T206 you see the word overprint in a lot of descriptions because for some of the backs they took a completed back from one factory and ran it through the press a second time to print over the original factory name with another. You might be focusing on the front of the card and seeing registration problems because those are really common with T206 but chances are the owner is referring to the back. I have attached photos (not my cards) of one successful overprint and two where the overprint itself was misregistered so that you see the old factory, the new factory, and the block intended to cover the old factory.

Eureka! That's exactly what I was talking about! I was wondering what that was... and was about to post some examples when I started looking at those red bars... and how out of place they look. So that's what they were talking about... Thanks so much!

This place rocks... you and mrvster and everyone else have been so helpful and informative! Cheers!

[Bigb13]

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[mrvster]

thanks! they are very cool....

john- really glad your starting to like these scraps...they are very and unique, almost like small "pieces of art" or "little gems" as I like to call them...thanks...I'm here to help, email me anytime!



BTW.....Jim Rivera tipped me off to this secret about the correlation of backs....overprints..and the sweet cap 350/460 fact #30 with no overprint scraps.....

most players aren't available in sc 350/460 f#30(but the super prints are available).......but can be found in a yellow brown printer scrap because they never received the overprint back and final factory stamp/overprint factory designation...

ok....sounds a little confusing but let me explain.....

we hear a lot about YELLOW/ BROWN scraps.....there are 2 "different kinds" of yellow brown scraps.....

first, all yellow / brown scraps are basically missing all colors( except the brown and yellow ink pass) ......hence the term "yellow/ brown printer's scrap....(some have some red, like downey) , but most just have the yellow and brown ink passes.....these particular scraps are lumped into one category called "yellow/ brown print scrap......


but, there are 2 different classes of yellow brown print scrap.....

1)the sweet caporal yellow / brown factory #30 cards no overprint fact desig.

2) all other yellow/ brown backs including blank backs


I do not want to take away Chris B's thunder here, but I want to make some collectors aware of these type of scraps(one day I will write some articles, but I have been trying to keep on the low low in order to obtain these awesome examples before everyone jumps on the band wagon)


I will explain more ....

maybe Chris B, or a few other advanced collectors will chime in here....