Is the Cobb, Red Cross Type 1 and Coupon T213 ........

[Leon]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Contrary to what some of you think, I greatly appreciate Jeff Burdick's tremendous accomplishments. Not only in the Sportscard field, but especially in the Non-Sports category.
I do not fault him for incorrectly classifying the 1910 "COUPON" issue. As is evident in Leon's excerpt, Burdick's timeline of this COUPON issue is wrong (see red-circled dates
on below insert). Collaborative research on this forum has proven that the T213-1 set of cards were printed by American Lithograph and issued circa Spring/Summer 1910.
Burdick's 1914-1915 timeline pertains to the subsequent COUPON sets that he cataloged as T213-2 and T213-3. The cards in these two sets are easily distinguished from the
1910 COUPON cards since their captions were printed with blue ink (and, of course their backs are a different design).

Leon
I am with you on this statement of your's....."I am certainly willing to go along with that one, from what we know today."

I'd say we can also apply the same thinking to the 1910 COUPON issue. You don't want to call them "T206's". And, that's fine. But, let us at least acknowledge that had Burdick
the correct timeline of this issue, he may have classified these cards otherwise.


TED Z
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Hi Ted
As I stated, I am sure Burdick knew he made mistakes and was missing information. I concur with you in that had he known, he probably would have made the series 1 Of T213 as another brand of T206. But that still doesn't explain the paper thin nature of T213-1 vs ANY of the known T206 brands. Unless there is something I am forgetting?

[tedzan]

Originally Posted by Leon

Hi Ted
As I stated, I am sure Burdick knew he made mistakes and was missing information. I concur with you in that had he known, he probably would have made the series 1 Of T213 as another brand of T206. But that still doesn't explain the paper thin nature of T213-1 vs ANY of the known T206 brands. Unless there is something I am forgetting?

My theory on the "paper thin" stock that the 1910 COUPON cards were printed on is that these cards were never meant to be cigarette pack "stiffiners".
This new brand of ATC cigarettes were marketed in the standard long cartons in loose form by the 100's. I used to have a scan of such a carton labelled
"COUPON" Cigarettes, but I lost the scan.

Furthermore, many of the Type-1 cards are found with consistent paper loss on the upper part of their backs. (such as these cards). This suggests to me
that a lot of these cards were most likely glued onto their cigarette cartons.

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Also, I have checked Jon Canfield regarding the standard 10-cigarette pack labelled "COUPON". Jon has never seen one.


I hope this helps regarding the difference in cardboard stock between most white-bordered Tobacco cards and the T213-1 cards.


TED Z
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[The Nasty Nati]

Very rarely you'll see a T213 type 1 pop up on eBay. IMO they are a T206. Yes the card stock is thinner, but the font on the front matches T206s not to mention the backs look almost identical to Broad Leaf, Cycle, Drum, and American Beauty. If American Beauty gets a pass for having a shorter trimmed card I think T213 Type 1's deserve a pass for thinner card stock. And it's been proven on other threads that ATC printed the type 1's during the same time frame as the rest of the T206s.

[atx840]

I think Ted is on to something about how the Type-1s were attached to their packs, most appear to have damage in a similar location.

[caramelcard]

Here are what looks to be some Coupon carton boxes.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by caramelcard

Here are what looks to be some Coupon carton boxes.

That must be the scan that Ted lost.

[RCMcKenzie]

Here are the 3 Coupon backs lined up. I started collecting all 3 series in the mid 80's b/c my Dad was paying and he said these T213's were just as good or better than T206 and looked exactly the same. I think he was right.
It's easy to find a T213-2, but may become difficult when you are looking for a specific card. I have 3/4 of the Tinkers and the 4th one was in LOTG and is a key to the set. I was the underbidder and the winner got a great deal I thought.
T213-3 are hard to find. More difficult than 2 series by a wide margin. T213-1 are very scarce. If they were a T206 I would say between Carolina Brights & Uzit as to difficulty level. As Mr. Z stated earlier, T213-1 has 68 cards to the set.