Original 12-card horizontal E91 strip may reveal 1909 printing format

[tedzan]

No printed sheets of E91 cards were produced.

The E91 series were American Caramel's first venture into BB card premiums. My take on these E91's is....that they were crudely produced STRIP cards.

Consider this.... if these strips (which are quite available) were cut from sheets, we would have also seen some sheets by now. Or, at least some panels
cut from 2-dimensional sheets.


Anthony

Thanks, I think your two strips have solved this mystery.



TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

No printed sheets of E91 cards were produced.

The E91 series were American Caramel's first venture into BB card premiums. My take on these E91's is....that they were crudely produced STRIP cards.

Consider this.... if these strips (which are quite available) were cut from sheets, we would have also seen some sheets by now. Or, at least some panels
cut from 2-dimensional sheets.


TED Z
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Neat looking strip. And, perhaps if we continue searching for these strips we may even find an E91 strip of 100 cards


So, thanks for making my point here......the E91's were printed and issued in strip form.


TED Z
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[abothebear]

I'm confused. Is your point that the 12 card strip proves a common printing layout to your t206 theory AND that any other strip number proves a completely different one strip only layout?

I'm having trouble following with all the back and forth.

[tedzan]

I started this thread with the only E91 strip, I was aware of. And, I thought these 12-cards were representative of an actual 2-dimensional printed sheet.

As things developed here, it became obvious that my 12-card strip had been cut down from a larger printed strip. Especially, when Anthony displayed his
16-card strip.

At that point, I think it is fair to conclude that the E91 cards were printed in strip form, rather than sheet form. And, consider this.....if these strips (which
are quite available) were cut from sheets, we would have also seen some sheets by now. Or, at least some panels cut from 2-dimensional sheets.

I have enough factory-cut E91 cards to say that they were issued individually. But, it very interesting to see this many intact strips have survived 116 yrs.

In any event, I'm really glad I started this thread. From the responses here, I would say we have gained more knowledge about this not-so-popular set of
cards.



TED Z
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[abothebear]

I agree. It is fascinating. Thanks for starting the thread!

[tedzan]

Patrick R.

Thanks for the links to this auction regarding the E91-A strips.....very interesting.

I have to differ with your referring to these (varying length) strips having been cut from (2-dimensional) sheets. This original find of 9 strips would have also included some form
of a partial (or complete) uncut sheet if these cards were indeed printed in sheet form by the Maryland Printing Co.


Now, it may be that the E91-B and E91-C series were printed in sheet form. However, no sheets (or strips) have surfaced from these two issues.


This 8-card strip of the 1943 M. P. & Co. issue is an example of BB cards printed and issued strictly in strip form. The M. P. & Co. issued a similar 8-card strip in 1949 that I recall
as a kid which were sold at candy stores as intact strips of 8 cards.
Just thought I'd bring this up so collectors can appreciate the fact that (on occasion) cards were printed and marketed strictly in strip form.






TED Z
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[Jayworld]

I've been following this post and conversation for some time with great interest, both from the conjecture side of what may/may not make up an early 20th century era printing sheet, and also the wealth of E91, T206, early 20th century cards information.

As a graphic designer with over 25 years in the design/print field, I am especially interested in the print side of the conversation, so much so, that I have inquired within the print field to those with 50+ years of print experience and knowledge into early printing processes. I found it interesting that printers agree that cards of this era would NOT have been printed as strips, but rather on sheets and then those sheets cut into strips. Printing on strips would have been unfeasible for many reasons, including the most important: registration. The smaller a sheet is, the more movement can occur in the printing process. Those that collect T206 (or other) scrap are well aware of the movement of the sheets between printing of plates. Just because a sheet of E91 cards does not exist (as of yet) does not mean that sheets were NOT printed. T206 sheets (as far as we know) no longer exist (or have yet to be found), but that does not mean that the T206 cards were not printed on sheets.

A typical print press sheet of today measures 28" x 40." Larger print shops/companies can run even larger sheets. Presses were not as large as 28" x 40" in the early 20th century, and offset printing was first manual, then automatic later with the proliferation of electricity, etc.

The T206 cards were printed in 6 colors. I am amazed as to the quality control of these cards, over 100 years later, as the majority are registered extremely well, all things considered.

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Neat looking strip. And, perhaps if we continue searching for these strips we may even find an E91 strip of 100 cards


So, thanks for making my point here......the E91's were printed and issued in strip form.


TED Z
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Or perhaps we may even find a strip of Simon Nicholls SC 649 T206's

[tedzan]

What I find quite interesting is that we have on display here 6 strips; and, all of them appear to be from the 1st series....E91-A.

Are there any strips representing the 3rd series E91-C (Boston-AL, Pittsburg, Washington) ?






TED Z
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[Pat R]

Ted,

It looks like all of the strips in this thread plus a few more originated from
the same consigner in a mile high auction.

With the uneven cuts on some of the sides, tops, and bottoms it seems
possible they could have been cut from the same sheet.

http://www.milehighcardco.com/1908_E...d-LOT8796.aspx

http://www.milehighcardco.com/Catego...00_1919-4.html