Help! (Please) looking for my great grand father on T-206!

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Yeah, I noticed that. BBRef.com has him as a lefty. Not much of a likeness either. Wouldn't be the first time that the image was reversed or the wrong guy was shown on a card.
Booles was with Cleveland for three weeks in 1909. Found this Bain photo of the 1909 Naps on the internet. Don't know if he's in there or not but he was in fast company playing on the same team with the likes of Cy Young, Nap Lajoie and Addie Joss.

Incredible!!!

I believe that to be him on the middle row (second to the right), unless you all know otherwise.

I knew he played with the guy that was believed to have either started or was heavily involved with the black sox scandal.
I had NO idea he played with (edit) cy young)... Nice company gramps!!

Keep is coming gents... Thanks for your knowledge !

[Kawika]

Josh: There is a website we all use that has a lot of information about ballplayers' statistics. It's called baseball-reference.com. Here are links for your ggf's minor league career and his major league career. If you click on the various teams he played for (Raleigh and Shreveport in the minors, Cleveland in the bigs) you will see that he rubbed shoulders with some luminaries of the game. In 1908 in Shreveport he indeed played with one of the notorious Black Sox, Chick Gandil. Another teammate was Hall of Famer Zach Wheat. In Cleveland, aside from Lajoie, Young and Joss, he was part of a group of deadballers who are as familiar to us collectors as any modern roster of ballplayers. His career in pro ball was brief but it was the real deal.
As for whether he is in the team photo, you would be a better judge than me. My eyes go screwy trying to match old faces. I don't know when in the season it was taken so there's no guarantee he would was on the Naps at the time.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Joshwesley

Incredible!!!

I believe that to be him on the middle row (second to the right), unless you all know otherwise.

I knew he played with the guy that was believed to have either started or was heavily involved with the black sox scandal.
I had NO idea he played with (edit) cy young)... Nice company gramps!!

Keep is coming gents... Thanks for your knowledge !

Josh - Red Booles is not in the Cleveland team photo (it is spring 1910). Middle row 2nd from right is Hall of Famer Elmer Flick. The correct IDs are:

back row:
George Boice – Bill Bradley – Art Kruger – Elmer "Bob" Koestner – Addie Joss
mid row:
Nig Clark – Walt Doane – Nap Lajoie – Deacon McGuire – Fred Link – Willy Mitchell – Elmer Flick – Ted Easterly
front row:
Harry Kirsch – Phil Cooney – Terry Turner – Neal Ball – Jack Graney – Joe Birmingham


BTW - do you have any good photos of him as a young man that you could post?

[John V]

Maybe you've already seen this. (from a chopped up Reach catalog)

[Bpm0014]

Just an FYI; not sure if it has been addressed yet. He is NOT in the T206 set. Sorry!

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by Bpm0014

Just an FYI; not sure if it has been addressed yet. He is NOT in the T206 set. Sorry!

Yes sir, that's correct. But isn't he in one of the tobacco sets?
T-209, or something similar?
I'm on the hunt!

[btcarfagno]

Originally Posted by Joshwesley

Yes sir, that's correct. But isn't he in one of the tobacco sets?
T-209, or something similar?
I'm on the hunt!

You are correct. The T209 set was a regional set produced in 1910. The original production totals of the set are dwarfed by that of the T206 set, thus this could prove to be quest that will take you some time (and money) to complete. Individual T209 cards can be found, and hopefully someone here on the board can hook you up with one, but they are FAR tougher to find than an individual T206 card.

It is wonderful to hear from a relative of a deadball player, and I very much look forward to seeing the image that you have of your great grandfather.

Is there anything else that has been passed down within the family relating to him? Equipment or autographs etc? Any of these items would have value.

Thanks for sharing.

Tom C

[Bocabirdman]

Originally Posted by btcarfagno

You are correct. The T209 set was a regional set produced in 1910. The original production totals of the set are dwarfed by that of the T206 set, thus this could prove to be quest that will take you some time (and money) to complete. Individual T209 cards can be found, and hopefully someone here on the board can hook you up with one, but they are FAR tougher to find than an individual T206 card.

It is wonderful to hear from a relative of a deadball player, and I very much look forward to seeing the image that you have of your great grandfather.

Is there anything else that has been passed down within the family relating to him? Equipment or autographs etc? Any of these items would have value.

Thanks for sharing.

Tom C

....as opposed to a dead ballplayer....


To the OP....Good Luck with your search..

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by John V

Maybe you've already seen this. (from a chopped up Reach catalog)

That's incredible...!! Thank you...
When I get to the office, I'm going to post the picture I have off him..
It's a portrait in his Cleveland jacket.

[bmarlowe1]

Originally Posted by Joshwesley

That's incredible...!! Thank you...
When I get to the office, I'm going to post the picture I have off him..
It's a portrait in his Cleveland jacket.

Josh - that would be great, thank you. SABR Pictorial History Committee would like to have the scan on file. Good images of short time early major leaguers can be hard to find.

[t206fix]

Pics from Josh

[Joshwesley]

Originally Posted by t206fix

Pics from Josh

Thanks Tony!!

[Joshwesley]

A really nice gentleman on this forum is going to post the pics for me (I can't get it work) and my aunt is speaking with some kin folks tonight to see what info she can find and if they have any of Red Booles gear (uniforms/gloves etc)

I even have a guy from the forum looking to see if he has a duplicate of Red's t-209 card (he believes he has one)

Fingers crossed!

Thanks for all of the help.