OT - Patriots Deflate Report

[ZachS]

Maybe they overinflated Pete Carroll's big dumb head.

[ALR-bishop]

Remember the first rule

Although given the play call, maybe that is more of a fact than an opinion

[packs]

Tsalem, how do you respond to the text messages between Patriots equipment managers directly referencing under inflating the footballs for Tom Brady? Are they fabricated? Even though they came directly from their own phones and can be easily verified by the carrier?

[calvindog]

Clearly the Pats cheated. Clearly Brady lied. Clearly they received an unfair advantage. And just as clearly the NFL doesn't have the balls to take those wins away. That being said, I'd like to see Brady suspended for a few games for lying to the investigators and the Pats lose a first round pick. (For the record, I have no problem with the Pats or Brady -- I'm a Giants fan, we love Brady)

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Clearly the Pats cheated. Clearly Brady lied. Clearly they received an unfair advantage. And just as clearly the NFL doesn't have the balls to take those wins away. That being said, I'd like to see Brady suspended for a few games for lying to the investigators and the Pats lose a first round pick. (For the record, I have no problem with the Pats or Brady -- I'm a Giants fan, we love Brady)

I agree. I don't think the NFL should take those games away. What would it accomplish? Do you think when shady college football programs have their wins stripped after the fact that it means a hill of beans to the teams they screwed over?

[tsalem]

Originally Posted by packs

Tsalem, how do you respond to the text messages between Patriots equipment managers directly referencing under inflating the footballs for Tom Brady? Are they fabricated? Even though they came directly from their own phones and can be easily verified by the carrier?

Your calling me out to answer your questions when you can't answer mine..

Anyways, unless I missed it or read it wrong, my take was the balls were around 16 psi in the Jets game and he wanted them deflated. He was not asking them to under deflate the balls below the 12.5 PSI.

The big problem here in my opinion is the Wells report itself. The way it is written, he/they left so many things unanswered. There are holes everywhere and you can interpret things the way you see fit.

I am not saying Brady is innocent or guilty but i'm sure he will let the process run its course and we will all probably know more down the line.

[nolemmings]

Great lesson for kids: It's ok to cheat if everybody else does it, no matter how minor it may seem or how much impact it has.

No, the lesson here to kids is this: Never admit you did anything wrong, never.

First, claim the rule you broke is a stupid rule anyway.
Next, claim that breaking the rule did not help you, and you'd be in the same position either way.
Next, argue some law of science to explain that the effect of your rule-breaking is really a natural phenomenon.
Next, when shown that you committed an intentional, willful act to get around a rule, claim to the idiot crowd, which in this country is huge, that there is no smoking gun, signed confession, or HD quality video of your wrongdoing and thus there is no "proof".
At the same time, argue that there must be a conclusive, beyond a reasonable doubt finding that you broke the rule or else you did nothing wrong (thus showing your complete lack of understanding of how our system of justice functions as well as displaying at least a flawed set of ethics--never mind, though, the Law and Order viewers will have your back).
Next, throw it back on your accuser by claiming they're just jealous and always had it out for you (ain't deflection great?) and
Most of all, just make sure you keep on lying about it and that you keep your stories straight, because again rule #1

NEVER, EVER ADMIT YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG. There you go kids--words to live by.

[Orioles1954]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

No, the lesson here to kids is this: Never admit you did anything wrong, never.

First, claim the rule you broke is a stupid rule anyway.
Next, claim that breaking the rule did not help you, and you'd be in the same position either way.
Next, argue some law of science to explain that the effect of your rule-breaking is really a natural phenomenon.
Next, when shown that you committed an intentional, willful act to get around a rule, claim to the idiot crowd, which in this country is huge, that there is no smoking gun, signed confession, or HD quality video of your wrongdoing and thus there is no "proof".
At the same time, argue that there must be a conclusive, beyond a reasonable doubt finding that you broke the rule or else you did nothing wrong (thus showing your complete lack of understanding of how our system of justice functions as well as displaying at least a flawed set of ethics--never mind, though, the Law and Order viewers will have your back).
Next, throw it back on your accuser by claiming they're just jealous and always had it out for you (ain't deflection great?) and
Most of all, just make sure you keep on lying about it and that you keep your stories straight, because again rule #1

NEVER, EVER ADMIT YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG. There you go kids--words to live by.

+1

Death, Taxes and the Patriots Cheating.

[rhettyeakley]

Originally Posted by nolemmings

No, the lesson here to kids is this: Never admit you did anything wrong, never.

First, claim the rule you broke is a stupid rule anyway.
Next, claim that breaking the rule did not help you, and you'd be in the same position either way.
Next, argue some law of science to explain that the effect of your rule-breaking is really a natural phenomenon.
Next, when shown that you committed an intentional, willful act to get around a rule, claim to the idiot crowd, which in this country is huge, that there is no smoking gun, signed confession, or HD quality video of your wrongdoing and thus there is no "proof".
At the same time, argue that there must be a conclusive, beyond a reasonable doubt finding that you broke the rule or else you did nothing wrong (thus showing your complete lack of understanding of how our system of justice functions as well as displaying at least a flawed set of ethics--never mind, though, the Law and Order viewers will have your back).
Next, throw it back on your accuser by claiming they're just jealous and always had it out for you (ain't deflection great?) and
Most of all, just make sure you keep on lying about it and that you keep your stories straight, because again rule #1

NEVER, EVER ADMIT YOU DID ANYTHING WRONG. There you go kids--words to live by.

A big +1

I just don't understand the justifications people are making. I think the people that should be most disappointed are Patriot fans themselves but I haven't heard a single Pats fan do that. About the guy above saying that 3 of the Colts balls failed too... Way to manipulate the facts! They had two separate people test the balls and one found all 4 at 12.5 or above, the next found that three were below 12.5 by exactly .15, .20 and .35 respectively (I believe these measurements were after having played a half of football, too). You are seriously grasping at straws to equate that to the Patriots balls that hovered right around 11 for the most part (one even measuring 10.5)

[jhs5120]

Originally Posted by rhettyeakley

A big +1

I just don't understand the justifications people are making. I think the people that should be most disappointed are Patriot fans themselves but I haven't heard a single Pats fan do that. About the guy above saying that 3 of the Colts balls failed too... Way to manipulate the facts! They had two separate people test the balls and one found all 4 at 12.5 or above, the next found that three were below 12.5 by exactly .15, .20 and .35 respectively (I believe these measurements were after having played a half of football, too). You are seriously grasping at straws to equate that to the Patriots balls that hovered right around 11 for the most part (one even measuring 10.5)

I'm not a Patriots fan, but I have found myself defending them through this ordeal for some reason.... I guess I just think it's not a big deal.

I think they cheated. I think they were given an advantage from their cheating. I think they lied about cheating. I think they made efforts to conceal their cheating from the investigator(s). But I just don't think it's a big deal. People are throwing out random PSI measurements as if that means anything and are describing the differences of a football with 12 psi, 12.5 psi and 13 psi as if they know what they're talking about. This is no different than the "spit ball" in baseball and that pitch has been celebrated over the years (even though it is illegal). I seriously cannot see the difference.

[perezfan]

Plus there is evidence that the deflation issue took place for at least a dozen games, leading up to the Colts game. For anyone that's tried to pass or catch a "rock hard" football in frigid conditions, the inflation level makes an enormous difference. Perhaps even more so for the kickers (which you never hear being discussed for some reason...)

I agree with Rhett, that Pats fans should be the angriest and are the most betrayed of the bunch. But unfortunately in sports these days, people tend to equate their own success (and sense of self-worth) to the teams and players that they worship. Turning a blind eye is not really surprising to me, for this reason. Would love hear just one Partiots Fan express some outrage and defy the masses...