Do these look a bit off?....Willards Ruth, Cobb etc...

MW1 · #1 06-08-2015, 01:51 AM

Gary,

I really don't think the Ruth is a reprint. There are definitely examples out there with top and bottom borders sized that way and other examples have rough cuts on the right and left edges as if they've been removed from a strip of cards. It seems to me that the card in question had some staining near the corners which was removed with a solvent, causing some damage to that area. Then, someone just trimmed the damaged areas so that the corners were rounded. It was a crude process but that's what I see when I look at it.

glchen · #2 06-08-2015, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MW1

Gary,

I really don't think the Ruth is a reprint. There are definitely examples out there with top and bottom borders sized that way and other examples have rough cuts on the right and left edges as if they've been removed from a strip of cards. It seems to me that the card in question had some staining near the corners which was removed with a solvent, causing some damage to that area. Then, someone just trimmed the damaged areas so that the corners were rounded. It was a crude process but that's what I see when I look at it.

I've been wrong plenty of times, so this wouldn't be a first. I'm okay with the top/bottom borders (maybe), but the left/right seem too wide to me (in addition to the rounded corners, of course). I've attached some images of non-trimmed examples that I found on the internet.

Leon · #3 06-08-2015, 07:53 AM

Even though they look a bit off I am now leaning towards them being good with issues, as Michael stated. And 3 of them are listed again....(I have seen solvent or chemicals make cards look bad previously, as many here have)

http://www.ebay.com/sch/prdaniel62/m...p2047675.l2562

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Econteachert205 · #4 06-08-2015, 08:15 AM

I have no idea if they are good or not but if I was the seller and had all this drama surrounding the cards, I would bite the bullet and get them graded. In this case it would likely assure a higher price realized even only graded as auth.

rdixon1208 · #5 06-08-2015, 09:41 AM

I contacted him again about the V-100 Ruth in question (I know, it's been a slow week). Here's the response I got:

"I will be sending some things to grading soon to strengthen my case when I crush you the, Willard was sold to an expert he said it was cleaned by a solution that washes them out he was fine with it and its his business not your f****** business The Willard is no fake I made a huge find about to be newsworthy"

And then this:
"I have an old friend some one who hoarded cards as a kid as I did , he baseball and I football ,I had 7 Jimmy Brown rookies he had endless stacks of Ruths Cobbs etc ONLY because we were 90 % top five to 10 STAR player collectors I have the greatest hoard ever on the plant of early cards just given to me by him to fix up and sell , you say fake its fixed get it .anyone knows this because it would be graded and 10 X more but also FIXED by Dave at SGC was my partner who stabbed me in the back after years of restoring cards for him once he made it big he got me blackballed suing him as we speak . all of his 1930 10 and 9 are likely trimmed by him or Mervin his best friend taught him most of the other card issues too and all he grades from friends, at the 2006 LA National he asked me to work on cards for him but not as a split only buy out as the owner of SGC I will take a lie detector to prove it , ask him to HA !!!"

So yeah. With that said I'd say that they're all real

Laxcat · #6 06-08-2015, 10:11 AM

I know nothing to little about pre war. That Mantle has been giving me the willies since the get go. After reading the later posts I thought; Okay, maybe this guy had them cleaned and they are now effed.

After reading his latest reply I now have this question: if he is 85 years old and he hoarded cards as a kid, isn't Jim Brown's rookie in '58? So the earliest he could have started "hoarding as a kid" of that card he was 28?

Add the fact that the Mantle has paper over the one part where there would be some sort of reprint/facsimile notification.

Do I believe it for one second?

Delusions of Granduer? Yes

That Mantle being real? No way.

Matthew Charlton

Leon · #7 06-10-2015, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laxcat

I know nothing to little about pre war. That Mantle has been giving me the willies since the get go. After reading the later posts I thought; Okay, maybe this guy had them cleaned and they are now effed.

After reading his latest reply I now have this question: if he is 85 years old and he hoarded cards as a kid, isn't Jim Brown's rookie in '58? So the earliest he could have started "hoarding as a kid" of that card he was 28?

Add the fact that the Mantle has paper over the one part where there would be some sort of reprint/facsimile notification.

Do I believe it for one second?

Delusions of Granduer? Yes

That Mantle being real? No way.

Matthew Charlton

The guy has given too many stories.

kmac32 · #8 06-10-2015, 10:20 PM

I now have the W572 Ruth in my possession. Met him in person and he is definitely an odd duck. After seeing the cards and hearing his story in person, I believe his cards are legit but altered. He was telling me about a soaking process that used solvents to remove debris. This would explain the fronts and his scans were not the best. Card passed the loop and black lite tests and the card stock was dead on for W572 cards. I also think the others are legit and he has more cards from the 20's that he inherited from a friend who had recently died. Have his name, email, and number and can get the address but I think the cards are legit after seeing and handeling them.

Kmac

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