Battersbox

jrawlsian · #1 06-30-2015, 09:14 AM

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ALR-bishop · #2 06-30-2015, 10:17 AM

It seems obvious the seller thought you were misusing the policy and had become a high maintenance customer with whom they no longer wanted to do business. That decision seems to annoy you. I get that. What more do you want here ?

jrawlsian · #3 06-30-2015, 10:34 AM

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It seems obvious the seller thought you were misusing the policy and had become a high maintenance customer with whom they no longer wanted to do business. That decision seems to annoy you. I get that. What more do you want here ?

Nothing. Just venting some frustration and a caveat emptor to the community if anyone finds it useful or is in a similar situation in the future.

pokerplyr80 · #4 06-30-2015, 02:58 PM

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Well I'm not calling them and raising hell so I'm actually not INSISTING per se...

If this were a car dealership or really any other consumer-facing business, putting out policies that you intend to blacklist customers for using is grounds for a slew of truth in advertising consumer claims.
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Not to beat a dead horse on this one but again I believe the consensus, and certainly my opinion is that despite the return policy 4 returns is excessive.

I personally work in sales, and have worked in a few different car dealerships and other customer facing businesses. I have seen car deals passed on that made financial sense because the customer was a jerk or we just knew was going to create more problems down the road. Some people simply can't be pleased and a business is better off without these customers.

Now I'm not saying that you are necessarily one of these customers and I mean no offense. But since you asked the question, four returns in a relatively short period of time is enough of an indication for most sellers or business owners to decide you're not worth the trouble.

Paul S · #5 06-30-2015, 10:57 PM

I'm just a raw guy and so have no real opinion that affects me directly re graded cards (in fact when I consign to a AH I expect them to grade them for me). However, since you are a self-admitted registry guy, why are you buying raw? Aside from the Ford episode and their customer service, maybe you just don't have enough experience yet how to buy raw over the internet? You'd probably be better of going to card shows, etc. As for an established online store, I'd think they would grade the cards they think should be graded. And if you think you are going to get a "deal" from these places, those instances will be few and far between. Just my opinion.

jrawlsian · #6 07-01-2015, 09:05 AM

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I'm just a raw guy and so have no real opinion that affects me directly re graded cards (in fact when I consign to a AH I expect them to grade them for me). However, since you are a self-admitted registry guy, why are you buying raw? Aside from the Ford episode and their customer service, maybe you just don't have enough experience yet how to buy raw over the internet? You'd probably be better of going to card shows, etc. As for an established online store, I'd think they would grade the cards they think should be graded. And if you think you are going to get a "deal" from these places, those instances will be few and far between. Just my opinion.

Collecting is an art and aesthetic opinions differ by collector, something that raw sellers often capitalize on by selling cards they probably know have some defect. I have found sellers (obviously not Battersbox) who consistently send out gradable product.

Here are more images of one of the cards I returned due to a MK qualifier that I'm getting pilloried for:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350281...Jscan30435.jpg
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350281...Jscan30436.jpg

I cannot detect the marks but maybe one of the stone-throwers in glass houses on here can point out the obviousness of the defects.

Saving money is not a trait inherent to non-Registry collectors...

vintagetoppsguy · #7 07-01-2015, 09:18 AM

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I cannot detect the marks but maybe one of the stone-throwers in glass houses on here can point out the obviousness of the defects.

If you can't detect the marks with the card in hand (and I can't detect the mark on from my computer), why does it bother you so much what PSA said? You're obviously collecting slabs and flips, not cards.

Edited to add: Furthermore, how do you know that PSA didn't get it wrong? What if there really is NO mark on the card? Why are you trusting PSA over your OWN EYES?

jrawlsian · #8 07-01-2015, 09:46 AM

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Laxcat · #9 07-01-2015, 09:58 AM

Isn't a card only worth what the last person was willing to pay for it?

That Mantle is low grade. I've bought some t's from Battersbox and I get exactly what I expect to get.

Did they charge you a restock fee?

I would if you sent back half of what you purchased from me.

Paul S · #10 07-01-2015, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by jrawlsian

...Here are more images of one of the cards I returned due to a MK qualifier that I'm getting pilloried for:

http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350281...Jscan30435.jpg
http://imagehost.vendio.com/a/350281...Jscan30436.jpg

I cannot detect the marks but maybe one of the stone-throwers in glass houses on here can point out the obviousness of the defects....

No one is throwing stones and no one is being pilloried. You asked for feedback. There's no malice intended so please don't become defensive just because it may differ from what you expected.

ibuysportsephemera · #11 07-01-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Paul S

No one is throwing stones and no one is being pilloried. You asked for feedback. There's no malice intended so please don't become defensive just because it may differ from what you expected.

+100...

Steve (the OP), you started this thread and people responded honestly (including myself). What more did you want?

Jeff

jrawlsian · #12 07-01-2015, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ibuysportsephemera

+100...

Steve (the OP), you started this thread and people responded honestly (including myself). What more did you want?

Jeff

Jeff -Not looking for anything further. Again, as I said to another member, it's just a general sharing of experience for future members with a similar problem, whether this seller or related to general raw-card buying as a whole. Before I posted I searched this problem on the forum and couldn't find a previous case of it so decided to start the thread. Currently just responding to offshoots of the post on various comments.