Mantle Vintage Opinions - 10,000 thread asking about his signature

[Lordstan]

Jake,
Didn't we go through this before with you? You made the same comment around 6mo ago, if I remember correctly.
People on Net54 say stuff is fake a lot, because A LOT of stuff being sold is FAKE.

Now, my opinion of this auto is that I have none. It's is very difficult to read fully, but does have many of things I might expect to see in a late 50's Mantle.
Because the signature is hard to read in your photo, I don't feel confident enough to give a firm yes or no.

[Lordstan]

Here are 2 instances where you have come on the autograph side and injected the same snide comment. Considering that the majority of your posts are in card related threads, it suggests you collect cards mostly. Perhaps instead of coming over here to spout the same inane drivel, you should stick to what you know and collect. I don't know much about cards or collect cards significantly, so when I go over and read threads I don't inject smart a$$ ridiculous comments that are not only untrue, but also not helpful to the original poster in any way.


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=201963

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=205292

M@rk V&l@rde

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Here are 2 instances where you have come on the autograph side and injected the same snide comment. Considering that the majority of your posts are in card related threads, it suggests you collect cards mostly. Perhaps instead of coming over here to spout the same inane drivel, you should stick to what you know and collect. I don't know much about cards or collect cards significantly, so when I go over and read threads I don't inject smart a$$ ridiculous comments that are not only untrue, but also not helpful to the original poster in any way.


http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=201963

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=205292

M@rk V&l@rde

He certainly sounds to me like someone with "autograph envy."

[MacDice]

Richard what do you think?

[RichardSimon]

Originally Posted by MacDice

Richard what do you think?

I think that I cannot make a real determination based on that picture. I would want it in hand.

[chaddurbin]

just because you buy beat up, creased, altered t206s doesn't mean you're cool and you get to come over here and post condescending remarks...go back to the main forum card noobs and learn to spot a proper boston garter.

[mrmopar]

I've wondered and it is as good a time as any, since several comments are from those that do this, but why are several people using symbols in place of letters in their names on this site? Is there a specific reason for some or is it just a "thing"?

[toyman55]

I still have that tiny Robinson ball and yes it is still fake!

[Mr. Zipper]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Jake,
Didn't we go through this before with you? You made the same comment around 6mo ago, if I remember correctly.
People on Net54 say stuff is fake a lot, because A LOT of stuff being sold is FAKE.

Correct. And when people post an item for opinions, it often means it is unknown or suspect to begin with... so that further skews the results to likely fake.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Mr. Zipper

Correct. And when people post an item for opinions, it often means it is unknown or suspect to begin with... so that further skews the results to likely fake.

some of the new posters don't know that most people say autographs are fake which they may want to consider. when they are making their own decsion...and they don't have the time to look at old posts....

I guess what I said happens appears to occur even more than I realized...I did see someone agree that a gwynn was real though....anyway wasn't making a snide remark just letting the poster know what reactions are usually given....

im sure people say 'buy the card not the holder' more than once as well I guess they not allowed to say that either ever again..

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

some of the new posters don't know that most people say autographs are fake which they may want to consider. when they are making their own decsion...and they don't have the time to look at old posts....

I guess what I said happens appears to occur even more than I realized...I did see someone agree that a gwynn was real though....anyway wasn't making a snide remark just letting the poster know what reactions are usually given....

im sure people say 'buy the card not the holder' more than once as well I guess they not allowed to say that either ever again..

Jake,
the statement buy the card not the holder is an excellent piece of advice to give people which reflects a thoughtful approach to buying cards.

Advising people that the majority of opinions here are that autos are fake has no bearing on reason or is of any significance to the person asking for advice. It is snide because it implies that those opinions are somehow borne out of something negative or biased. Your assessment of the percentage of times autos are thought to be real or not has no relationship to the real fact that most autographs on the market today are, in fact, fake. Knowing that percentage doesn't help the original posters in the slightest.

Personally, I would rather have someone who has nothing constructive to add to thread not post. Bad information is bad for the hobby. Considering you are a card collector, I would think it would be really helpful for you to post on card threads not on auto threads where your knowledge is obviously limited to regurgitating some obvious fact that means nothing without context. If that's all you have to add, then perhaps you shouldn't post.
M@rk

[Gary Dunaier]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

the statement buy the card not the holder is an excellent piece of advice to give people which reflects a thoughtful approach to buying cards.

[tempertantrum] But the holder looks so KEWLLLLLL! Waaaahhhhhhh! [/tempertantrum]

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Jake,
the statement buy the card not the holder is an excellent piece of advice to give people which reflects a thoughtful approach to buying cards.

Advising people that the majority of opinions here are that autos are fake has no bearing on reason or is of any significance to the person asking for advice. It is snide because it implies that those opinions are somehow borne out of something negative or biased. Your assessment of the percentage of times autos are thought to be real or not has no relationship to the real fact that most autographs on the market today are, in fact, fake. Knowing that percentage doesn't help the original posters in the slightest.

Personally, I would rather have someone who has nothing constructive to add to thread not post. Bad information is bad for the hobby. Considering you are a card collector, I would think it would be really helpful for you to post on card threads not on auto threads where your knowledge is obviously limited to regurgitating some obvious fact that means nothing without context. If that's all you have to add, then perhaps you shouldn't post.
M@rk

so you agree that I am stating an obvious fact. (but I a regurgitating it).......its your opinion about whether I am helping original posters in the slightest or not.....I am not biased at all as I am not selling any auto cards..its my opinion that if I was a new poster id like to know what the typical responses are on the board..not sure why you care about me making 3 posts on the last 30 threads about an obvious fact to you but it maybe not obvious to a potential first time poster or new member just reading a thread...

[Lordstan]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

so you agree that I am stating an obvious fact. (but I a regurgitating it).......its your opinion about whether I am helping original posters in the slightest or not.....I am not biased at all as I am not selling any auto cards..its my opinion that if I was a new poster id like to know what the typical responses are on the board..not sure why you care about me making 3 posts on the last 30 threads about an obvious fact to you but it maybe not obvious to a potential first time poster or new member just reading a thread...

Well. Perhaps 99% isn't really correct, but it is certainly true of the vast majority of opinions given. It is also an obvious fact that most autos people ask opinions on are fake and we tell them so.

Yes, you are biased. It has nothing to do with whether you sell autos or not. It has to do with the fact that you make a statement that that while it may be close to true, is left half finished as to make a specific impression. By leaving the statement as you wrote it, it implies that the posters here have some sort of a bias against autos that are posted.

The reason I care is because it is important for people to understand that the percentage of how we respond has no bearing on anything without the context that most autos for sale are fake.

You seem to be under the impression that knowing what the usual responses is of some sort of value. Why? What possible beneficial information can anyone glean from knowing that fact without any context?

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Lordstan

Well. Perhaps 99% isn't really correct, but it is certainly true of the vast majority of opinions given. It is also an obvious fact that most autos people ask opinions on are fake and we tell them so.

Yes, you are biased. It has nothing to do with whether you sell autos or not. It has to do with the fact that you make a statement that that while it may be close to true, is left half finished as to make a specific impression. By leaving the statement as you wrote it, it implies that the posters here have some sort of a bias against autos that are posted.

The reason I care is because it is important for people to understand that the percentage of how we respond has no bearing on anything without the context that most autos for sale are fake.

You seem to be under the impression that knowing what the usual responses is of some sort of value. Why? What possible beneficial information can anyone glean from knowing that fact without any context?

I think you are able to explain the context on the next post if you have a problem with it.....you are making assumptions of what I meant by saying it and how it would be interpreted...perhaps it can be taken that way perhaps not...depends ...again I don't have a dog in the fight so not biased.....its not like I get the last word and the thread is locked.....you were easily able to address the comment...no harm no foul..

I think saying buy the card not the holder is obvious and doesn't need to be stated but I don't care if its said over and over again..doesn't bother me a bit....again it appears you basically agree with my premise.....some people may of just been snooped into buying a fake card and may find solace that fake autos happen a lot...who knows....but the fact I used 3 posts out of my around 1000 posts (currently at 886) I don't really think its that annoying or obstructive...I believe for most people who make 1000 posts...at least 3 of them will be very similar in viewpoint etc and nobody would call them out for that...I know I wouldn't care or bother to look at the post history...

still odd again because you do agree with what I said