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Old 07-26-2015, 12:07 PM
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I think his only real challengers are Kendrys Morales or Jose Iglesias.
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Old 07-26-2015, 01:04 PM
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[QUOTE=packs;1435228]I think his only real challengers are Kendrys Morales or Jose Iglesias.[/QUOTE
Mark Teixeira, would be a prime candidate if his resurgance was not being overshadowed by A-Rod.
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[QUOTE=packs;1435228]I think his only real challengers are Kendrys Morales or Jose Iglesias.[/QUOTE
Mark Teixeira, would be a prime candidate if he was not being overshadowed by A-Rod.
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Old 07-26-2015, 02:20 PM
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Alex who??
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My stance on known or suspected steroid users isn't quite as harsh as others. I feel guys like Bonds, Clemens, and even A-Rod should be in the hall even though it's unlikely they will be any time soon, if ever. MLB didn't even test for steroids until 2003. If it was really that big of a concern while it was happening baseball would have done something about it then.

I know there are a lot of people who strongly oppose any player who cheated from being honored or rewarded and I do see their point. But If most pitchers and hitters in this time were using in way they were just leveling the playing field.

Even if they had a separate steroid era section of the hall of fame, I think these players should be remembered.
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He or Teixeira would be good choices. I don't hold the PED use against of the guys, be it A-Rod, Palmeiro or whoever. Probably because had I been a player in that era, I would have been a PED guy.
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I care less about the PEDs than I do his grand aura of douchery, but we all know MLB couldn't care less about character.....
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I care less about the PEDs than I do his grand aura of douchery, but we all know MLB couldn't care less about character.....
I can't argue with that. Same with Lance Armstrong. Even though in his case 99% of the other riders were using something as well the lies and lack of character did him in just as much. Sometimes it's best just to admit what happened instead of making things worse.
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In contrast to a previous post, I have finally made it back to Yankee Stadium because of A-Rod. Don't kid yourself, he's great for the Yankees, people are interested in how he does. I do not feel that A-Rod is on the sauce. I feel that his production is the result of a few factors.

1. He has solid mechanics that have stayed with him throughout his career.


2. Only having to concentrate on hitting has helped him. For some players they feel that they aren't really in the flow of the game when not in the field. For A-Rod this has helped.

3. This is the X-factor, but don't think for a second that A-Rod misses Jeter.

I would love to see A-Rod continue his success. For the record, I'm not a Clemens or McGuire guy, so it's not like I have a thing for the juice crew. I just think it's cool how he was completely written off, his own team didn't even want him, and here he is.
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I care less about the PEDs than I do his grand aura of douchery, but we all know MLB couldn't care less about character.....
Supremely talented baseball player, loser as a human being both on and off the field. His slap of Bronson Arroyo's glove in the 04 playoffs and then arguing it was incidental spoke volumes about him.

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I think his only real challengers are Kendrys Morales or Jose Iglesias.
Arod is doing better then anyone expected, but I would give the award to Prince Fielder
He missed most of the season last year & when he played he hit under .250. now he's in the 330's
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Went to see the Amy Schumer movie "Trainwreck" last weekend. There is an
abusive comment about A-rod that made me laugh but I was thinking this guy can't even go to the movie without being ridiculed. BTW Lebron is terrific
in the movie. Steals every scene he is in.
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I have no problem at giving the award to ARod. IMO, most players in the league were on PED's then, and the players who put up the crazy numbers were already extremely talented, and would have excelled anyways. Many of the PED users did not excel, because the talent just was not there for them. You still have to be able to hit the ball ( square it up and make contact ), and PED's did not help you in that respect.
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he's probably the favorite to win right now, and i have no problem with that. he must've hired a new pr firm, because everything coming out of his mouth now he credits his teammates, he just wants to help the team wins, he doesn't really care about the stats etc etc...i'm almost buying it!

forget pete rose, put arod bonds clemens in the hall....
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I have no problem at giving the award to ARod. IMO, most players in the league were on PED's then, and the players who put up the crazy numbers were already extremely talented, and would have excelled anyways. Many of the PED users did not excel, because the talent just was not there for them. You still have to be able to hit the ball ( square it up and make contact ), and PED's did not help you in that respect.
It's hard to say you make great points. Most players in the league were but most players aren't the player/teammate Rodriguez was.

He should be lucky he's playing right now period. If it were up to me and I was the commissioner he wouldn't have been allowed to play again though I'm sure that would be a scrap with the players association.

He's lied multiple times, people have wound up in jail and yet he get's to still play and make more than we can dream of.

An award you say ?? Well if he's allowed to play why wouldn't he be eligible ??

It's a double edged sword. Obviously the majority of people (I think) would rather him have come out this season and fall on his ass and ride the bench. Or would rather him just not play at all. But the fact is he's being allowed to pay, he served his "punishment" so he technically will/could/can be eligible for the award. He can/will be eligible for Cooperstown but just because he can/will be doesn't mean he'll get it.
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Why do you think players who used PEDs would have excelled anyway? Jason Giambi was a player who used PEDs. He was absolutely terrible in short order. As was Brady Anderson, Luis Gonzalez, Shawn Green and on and on. The only reason you recognize any of those names is because they used PEDs and were suddenly good.

There is no way you can ever say A-rod is a good player because who knows when he was and wasn't on PEDs. Saying he would have been A-rod with or without them is not something I think you can really know.
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It doesn't matter to me whether he gets it or not. ARod will always be the supreme narcissist to me. Tons and tons of natural talent but it wasn't enough. His lying and lying and lying and cheating reveal his true character to me. He will always be dogged by being the guy with a mountain of stats and no clear way to determine what he would have really done on his own. In a couple of years he will be gone and go down as one of the most successful of the PED era. Good for him, it neither erases what he did or who he was.
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