Deleting prices after an item has sold

[Laxcat]

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Buyers dont care what a seller paid for a card....i never understood in a negotiation when a seller says how much they paid as a reason why they need more on a card...people pay what they feel it is worth....markets go up and down..

People can see cards on VCP as well...so buyers should assume that all cards bougth in private forum were sold for less than VCP average...otherwise the seller would use the old 'i would lose money on the card if dont get my price'.....

One last thing. Actually a couple.

Why do you assume that all sales in a private forum are under VCP? Why is VCP the holy grail of "pricing"?

It seems to be a fairly easy system to manipulate.

EX: someone has been hoarding Gem mint 196x Topps Johnny Cupo'coffee. They then conspire to inflate the price of said card through false sales on EBay and AH's.
Doesn't VCP track these sales and this increase the price of the card? All of a sudden Mr. Cupo'coffee's card goes from $X to $X^2.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Laxcat

One last thing. Actually a couple.

Why do you assume that all sales in a private forum are under VCP? Why is VCP the holy grail of "pricing"?

It seems to be a fairly easy system to manipulate.

EX: someone has been hoarding Gem mint 196x Topps Johnny Cupo'coffee. They then conspire to inflate the price of said card through false sales on EBay and AH's.
Doesn't VCP track these sales and this increase the price of the card? All of a sudden Mr. Cupo'coffee's card goes from $X to $X^2.

Right I agree.. you can have your friend 'buy a card' from you as well...lots of ways to fake sale prices..


another way to fake inflate sale prices is to not be transparent....I can say I bought the card from a net54 member for $5000....but when you check the original listing the asking price was $4000......but if its deleted nobody would know...assuming the seller cant be reached by email or not respond..

if you are so worried about price manipulation than I think you would be in favor of transparency and seeing the asking prices...because how dare we even consider putting the sale price like ebay does on auctions...

What information is gleaned from knowing a seller's asking price in a BST thread? That's akin to knowing an ebay seller's buy it now price when they allow for, and eventually accept a "best offer". Seems like meaningless information to me, unless it is somehow confirmed that a buyer paid that amount for the card (which would require disclosure by the buyer or seller after the fact) it doesn't help establish market value in any way, shape, or form.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

What information is gleaned from knowing a seller's asking price in a BST thread? That's akin to knowing an ebay seller's buy it now price when they allow for, and eventually accept a "best offer". Seems like meaningless information to me, unless it is somehow confirmed that a buyer paid that amount for the card (which would require disclosure by the buyer or seller after the fact).

more information is gleamed than knowing absolutely zero.......we would at least know the Max amount that could of been paid at that time...plus if its not a big deal than why delete it....might as well leave it up...sometimes there are price reductions as well...so having the lowest asking price still there would give some information....what the information means and what to do with it who knows....its just better than zero...


people can do what they want..i just don't see how is crazy on leaving the asking price more if people choose to do that...its not betraying any confidence..

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

more information is gleamed than knowing absolutely zero.......we would at least know the Max amount that could of been paid at that time...plus if its not a big deal than why delete it....might as well leave it up...sometimes there are price reductions as well...so having the lowest asking price still there would give some information....what the information means and what to do with it who knows....its just better than zero...

So if I offer a card on BST for sale for $100 and someone offers me $80 which I agree to sell it for, how does it help the card collecting community to know that the card is sold $100? Wouldn't that in fact be misleading information, unless I came back and edited the price to what it actually sold for? My point is the asking price provides no relevant information unless it the actual realized price, and that information IMO is no one's business.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Gobucsmagic74

So if I offer card on BST for sale for $100 and someone offers me $80 which I agree to sell it for, how does it help the card collecting community to know that the card is sold $100. Wouldn't that in fact be misleading information, unless I came back and edited the price to what it actually sold for?

Nope...I think people know the difference between Asking price and what a price sold for....they could be the same..but could be not.......we would know the max paid for it was $100 though...card prices go up and down from that point on but we will know the asking price on that date ...

Originally Posted by 1952boyntoncollector

Nope...I think people know the difference between Asking price and what a price sold for....they could be the same..but could be not.......we would know the max paid for it was $100 though...card prices go up and down from that point on but we will know the asking price on that date ...

Of course they know the difference, but it doesn't change the fact that the asking price is irrelevant and potentially misleading after the fact. Please explain how knowing the seller's asking price helps the collecting community in any meaningful way if you don't know what the card actually sells for?

[icollectDCsports]

I'd like to be able to see what items sell for, particularly for non-card memorabilia. I like getting a sense for what various memorabilia may be worth. However, sellers using BST here certainly have the right to do what they want on this issue and, after reading this thread, I have a better appreciation for why some sellers here opt to delete the price after a sale.

[Laxcat]

Cheese and crackers.

I still fail to see how it is any of your business what someone paid for something. Do you walk up to people that you meet and ask them how much they make? How much the car they drive cost?

I'm curious, in your $5000 to $4000 example, is the theoretical card one for a collection or to be resold? If it is for your collection and you want it then buy it. If it is to be flipped then I have this to ask.

Are you the only person that is allowed to make money off of a card they bought?

In response to your "helping one poster" comment: so am I.

[1952boyntoncollector]

Originally Posted by Laxcat

Cheese and crackers.

I still fail to see how it is any of your business what someone paid for something. Do you walk up to people that you meet and ask them how much they make? How much the car they drive cost?

I'm curious, in your $5000 to $4000 example, is the theoretical card one for a collection or to be resold? If it is for your collection and you want it then buy it. If it is to be flipped then I have this to ask.

Are you the only person that is allowed to make money off of a card they bought?

In response to your "helping one poster" comment: so am I.

did you read the posts? I never ask that the person paid for it....they tell me as a way to negotiate....it doesn't matter what you do with the card...

also we are talking about asking price..not what the card sold for (though ebay tells everyone)

it not important about why a card is bought...I don't care what a person does with the card......I also told you I don't care what sellers paid for the card...

..I like to pay market price..thats what I like to pay and that's the purpose of me buying cards.. ..I buy many cards from dealers on net54

.its good that you like to help posters..so do I...so we are both helping the world...congrats..


People who now say 'but why put what the card sold for? the buyers don't like that' 'do you ask dealers how much you pay for their cards before negotiating'

I think everyone will know my responses now...