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			Neat 19th century photo (I believe) of Iron Mountain, MI band and baseball team.  I believe we are looking at a bunch of iron miners at leisure.  Can anyone help me date this based on equipment/instruments? 
				__________________ Best Regards, Joe Gonsowski COLLECTOR OF: - 19th century Detroit memorabilia and cards with emphasis on Goodwin & Co. issues ( N172 / N173 / N175 ) and Tomlinson cabinets - N333 SF Hess Newsboys League cards (all teams) - Pre ATC Merger (1890 and prior) cigarette packs and redemption coupons from all manufacturers | 
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			Joe, nice photo.  Based on the wired mask with small pads, and Webless glove with some padding, I would say 1890 on the photo - give or take a couple years.
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			Picked this Jim Gilliam GU M117 bat from the flea market this morning. The bat measures about 34.5 inches. Has some bat rack marks and a good amount of ball marks. Does anybody know if Jim used a M117 model?
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 What type of flea markets do you go to that they have game used bats every weekend. The only game used bat I've ever found at a flea market is a Jeff baker. | 
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			Brock, lol it's a lot of luck. Trust me there is more junk than anything but I manage to find some good bats here and there.
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			Hi Ron, Terrific flea market find! Here's a previous post from Mike Specht, who has the bat records: "M117 batsare among the earliest Gilliam bats shipped. They are fiund only in 1951 (35" / 32 oz.(first signature model) , 1952 (34.5" / 33 oz and 35"/ 32 oz). and 1953 (34.5" / 32 oz); Gilliam's first ML game was 4/14/53, so any 35 inch M117 would be a Minor League bat (pre-rookie), and a 34.5 inch M117 could be from his last order in 1952 or his first order in 1953.... Interestingly, Gilliam never ordered that model again after early 1953." If you can post a better photo of the center label, we can try to see if that bat was made in the 1951-53 period. Greg | 
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			Got this in last week, I forgot to post it. I was looking to possibly get it restored. Has anybody ever had a picture like this restored?  Any recommendations on companies that restore? I appreciate any help.
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			Hi Ron, There are some very subtle flaws in the oval line itself of 1950s bats at 10 and 2 o'clock that can help determine specific years of 1950s bats, along with a couple of other things in the center oval. They are outlined in Vince Malta's LS reference book -- I just can't make them out in your photos. Also, I think Vince and Mike Specht both explain that the more square the G in the word in Genuine on the barrel, the earlier in the 50s the bat was made. Your G is fairly round, more consistent with a later 50s bat. These are such small nuances though, that it makes it hard to tell without examining the bat in person, and even then, it's still tough. Greg | 
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			One like this or maybe the same sold at auction last week for $300 with a Mickey c one for $255
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