T206 Wagner value after Mastro confesses to cutting it

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by BeanTown

I think if we can learn from history, without a doubt the value will increase. Its all about the hype and the story that goes with it. The PSA mis graded T-206 Wagner card will now become one if the most sod after cards in the sports market. It's appeal most likely will be to the wealthy who want to have it as a social statis item or a conversation piece!

Take a look at the coin market and the 1913 Liberty nickel. Most likey case was a mint worker restruck 6 coins with the 1913 year on it right before they destroyed the die. He waited 7 years before showing up at a couple of coin shows to display them. Then he marketed them by advertising a high amount of money would be paid if anyone that could come up with one.

Here is aquick story on it.

http://coins.about.com/od/famousrare...913_Nickel.htm


I'm sure there are other examples where the hype and story has made an item get record setting prices everytime it comes to the market. I think another item is a rare art painting that the UCLA library has on display. It was originally done from a husband to mock the art community because his wife's work was not accepted. This man had never painted before and hetried to make it the ugliest painting ever seen... Samething played out over the years with that item.


My guess for the price of the now trimmed (industry known) T206 PSA Wagner card is over 5 million!!! It most likely will be in the same holder tooas the "new" owner can decide what to do.

I think it will increase the value of the card believe it or not. It's a scandal now and the card probably would have graded quite well anyway.

The bigger question is how PSA didn't know it was trimmed. Quite funny when comparing the "SGC scary needs to be brought up thread". PSA is not consistent nor is it not the best at grading cards. Unfortunately it's like Metallica vs Megadeth (yes I brought it there). While Metallica (PSA) sounds great it really isn't as good as Megadeth (SGC), it's all a popularity contest and total bs.

[quinnsryche]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Unfortunately it's like Metallica vs Megadeth (yes I brought it there). While Metallica (PSA) sounds great it really isn't as good as Megadeth (SGC), it's all a popularity contest and total bs.

Oh HELL Yeah! Finally someone said it. Megadeth is by far the better band (in any form) over Metallica as long as Dave is involved. Absolute top of the food chain, f***ing genius and more metal than anyone past, present or future. Oh, and Lemmy is right there too!

[Joshchisox08]

Originally Posted by quinnsryche

Oh HELL Yeah! Finally someone said it. Megadeth is by far the better band (in any form) over Metallica as long as Dave is involved. Absolute top of the food chain, f***ing genius and more metal than anyone past, present or future. Oh, and Lemmy is right there too!

Tony you redeemed yourself there. I was about to go crazy if you didn't mention Lemmy/Motorhead. Fav band of all time. Lemmy is god \m/\m/

[Shoeless Moe]

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

Tony you redeemed yourself there. I was about to go crazy if you didn't mention Lemmy/Motorhead. Fav band of all time. Lemmy is god \m/\m/

The great thing about Lemmy is he sounded like he was 60 when he was 30 so you can still listen to him today and sounds the exact same as day 1.

And I too prefer Dave and the boys to James and his crew, but its like Filet Mignon and Prime Rib, either will do nicely. And Lemmy is a side order of a full rack of ribs.

[Rich Klein]

It's the most famous card in the hobby and still presents very well.

And still has the PSA 8 ID

So, even though we know it's trimmed, I would wager that the owner makes a profit when he sells.

I know many of us on this board would prefer to believe that now we know officially the card is trimmed, it is worthless.

Sorry, reality will go in the other direction.

Rich

[rats60]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

It's the most famous card in the hobby and still presents very well.

And still has the PSA 8 ID

So, even though we know it's trimmed, I would wager that the owner makes a profit when he sells.

I know many of us on this board would prefer to believe that now we know officially the card is trimmed, it is worthless.

Sorry, reality will go in the other direction.

Rich

You are correct. It's not like a normal card where you can buy a psa 8 not trimmed.

[mark evans]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

It's the most famous card in the hobby and still presents very well.

And still has the PSA 8 ID

So, even though we know it's trimmed, I would wager that the owner makes a profit when he sells.

I know many of us on this board would prefer to believe that now we know officially the card is trimmed, it is worthless.

Sorry, reality will go in the other direction.

Rich

Just to clarify, I never suggested that the card is or should be 'worthless' but, allowing for dreaming, I would prefer to own a PSA 3 that showed well.

[pherbener]

I agree!!

Megadeath >>>>>>>>>>>>>Metallica!!

SGC>>>>>>>>>>>PSA

Originally Posted by Joshchisox08

I think it will increase the value of the card believe it or not. It's a scandal now and the card probably would have graded quite well anyway.

The bigger question is how PSA didn't know it was trimmed. Quite funny when comparing the "SGC scary needs to be brought up thread". PSA is not consistent nor is it not the best at grading cards. Unfortunately it's like Metallica vs Megadeth (yes I brought it there). While Metallica (PSA) sounds great it really isn't as good as Megadeth (SGC), it's all a popularity contest and total bs.

[Eric72]

Originally Posted by pherbener

I agree!!

Megadeath >>>>>>>>>>>>>Metallica!!

SGC>>>>>>>>>>>PSA

While I tend to prefer SGC, I shall offer this reply to your post:

Metallica, in the 80's, especially with Cliff > Megadeth > Metallica light (after the Black Album.)

Just my two cents. After all, this is quite subjective.

Best regards,

Eric

[Bpm0014]

Today, wouldn't the PSA 8 Wagner be worth more on an uncut sheet??

[CW]

I could be wrong, but I don't believe the Wagner was cut from an uncut sheet. Instead, it was one of those greatly oversized T206s you see with the big borders, and Mastro merely trimmed it down from that form. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by CW

I could be wrong, but I don't believe the Wagner was cut from an uncut sheet. Instead, it was one of those greatly oversized T206s you see with the big borders, and Mastro merely trimmed it down from that form. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.

Correction. As I understand it the pre-Mastro card was sheet cut, from a proof sheet. I don't believe any Piedmont back Wagners are believed to have been factory cut and inserted into packs.

[CW]

Ah, gotcha, Peter. I guess I was making my assumption off the picture from that book about the card (titled "The Card"?) which showed it in its "pre-trimmed" state. That image showed it as only having big borders and not part of a sheet. Corrected, I stand.

http://www.t206museum.com/page/periodical_62.html

[ls7plus]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Correction. As I understand it the pre-Mastro card was sheet cut, from a proof sheet. I don't believe any Piedmont back Wagners are believed to have been factory cut and inserted into packs.

This is my understanding also. It's been a matter of years since I read the book, "The Card," but believe this issue is also discussed therein. As I recall, someone other than Mastro originally cut the card from the sheet, and the latter cleaned up the cut.

Best always,

Larry