Theory regarding T206 AMERICAN BEAUTY 350 (no frame) series

[tedzan]

That's an interesting question.


Let's start with the timeline of these AB 350, BROAD LEAF 350, CYCLE 350, and DRUM cards. American Litho started printing these backs in the Summer of 1910.
Perhaps, the DRUM's may have also continued into the Fall of 1910.





The timeline for the AB 350 (no frame) cards is circa Fall/Winter 1910. Finally, the AB 460, LENOX, and UZIT cards in the final T206 print runs..circa Feb 1911.
Note that all 4 of these backs are without frames.







Now, the timeline for the PIEDMONT 460, Factory 42 cards is somewhat uncertain. I think it possibly was in late 1910, since all 63 subjects in the 350/460 series
were printed. But, only a dozen (or so) 460-only subjects were printed with PIEDMONT 460, Factory 42 backs.






TED Z
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[tedzan]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Let's start with the timeline of these AB 350, BROAD LEAF 350, CYCLE 350, and DRUM cards. American Litho started printing these backs in the Summer of 1910.
Perhaps, the DRUM's may have also continued into the Fall of 1910.





The timeline for the AB 350 (no frame) cards is circa Fall/Winter 1910.

The timeline for the AB 460, LENOX and UZIT cards is circa Feb/Mar 1911.

Note that all 4 of these backs are without frames.







TED Z

I do not think the "American Beauty frame concern" has anything to do with why American Litho. (ALC) eliminated the frame from their 2nd and 3rd AB series of cards.
My above repeated post illustrates what in my opinion explains the lack of frames on the 2nd & 3rd AB issues. The missing frame designs of the AB 350 NF and AB 460
backs are consistent with ALC's design of their LENOX and UZIT backs. The AB 460, LENOX & UZIT advertisements were printed at the tail-end of the T206 production.



TED Z
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[tedzan]

My guess is that American Litho started cutting the AB's thinner in anticipation of the narrower AB packs. It's my understanding that the
narrower (8-cigarette) American Beauty packs were to be introduced sometime in 1911.


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The widths of the AB cards vary all over the place. This Davy Jones is the "fattest" of my AB cards (it is exactly the width of a normal T206 card).


..v.................... 1 7/16" ......................v
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While AB 460 cards consistently tend to be the narrowest of the cards in the three American Beauty series......

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TED Z
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[tedzan]

POPulation report data (SGC + PSA) for those of you who are interested in numbers.

POP #....Subject

11...........Baker
20...........Bender (no trees)
20...........Burch (fielding)
10...........Conroy (bat)
17...........Crawford (bat)
13...........Doolan (bat)
15...........Downey (bat)
11...........Larry Doyle (bat)
13...........Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
20...........Griffith (bat)
13...........Jennings (two hands)
17...........Johnson (pitching)
15...........Jordan (bat)
11...........Konetchy (glove low)
11...........Lake (no ball)
22...........Leifield (bat)
11...........Magee (bat)
19...........Manning (pitching)
15...........McQuillan (bat)
13...........Mullin (bat)
14...........Murphy (bat)
_7...........Nichols (bat)
13...........Overall (yellow sky)
11...........Pelty (vertical)
13...........Pfeister (throwing)
14...........Reulbach (no glove)
12...........Rucker (throwing)
14...........Seymour (throwing)
_8...........Stahl (glove
14...........Steinfeldt (bat)
15...........Street (catching)
12...........Sweeney (fielding)
16...........Wagner (bat on right)
18...........Wilhelm (bat)
18...........Willetts
22...........Willis (bat)
16...........Wiltse (pitching)




TED Z
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[mrvster]

wow!!! great data

[Pat R]

Originally Posted by tedzan

POPulation report data (SGC + PSA) for those of you who are interested in numbers.

POP #....Subject

11...........Baker
20...........Bender (no trees)
20...........Burch (fielding)
14...........Conroy (bat)
17...........Crawford (bat)
13...........Doolan (bat)
15...........Downey (bat)
11...........Larry Doyle (bat)
13...........Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
20...........Griffith (bat)
13...........Jennings (two hands)
17...........Johnson (pitching)
15...........Jordan (bat)
11...........Konetchy (glove low)
11...........Lake (no ball)
22...........Leifield (bat)
11...........Magee (bat)
19...........Manning (pitching)
15...........McQuillan (bat)
13...........Mullin (bat)
14...........Murphy (bat)
_7...........Nichols (bat)
13...........Overall (yellow sky)
11...........Pelty (vertical)
13...........Pfeister (throwing)
14...........Reulbach (no glove)
12...........Rucker (throwing)
14...........Seymour (throwing)
_8...........Stahl (glove
14...........Steinfeldt (bat)
15...........Street (catching)
12...........Sweeney (fielding)
16...........Wagner (bat on right)
18...........Wilhelm (bat)
18...........Willetts
22...........Willis (bat)
16...........Wiltse (pitching)




TED Z
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Hi Ted,

PSA didn't specify AB 350NF/460 until just recently so the 19 subjects that were printed with
both would be the combined population. (I have been thinking it might be fun
to do a 350/460 subset of these 19 with both backs).

[mrvster]

wow!!!

that's sounds wild!

btw....that would cut the pop's maybe in half shown??

[tedzan]

"Hi Ted,

PSA didn't specify AB 350NF/460 until just recently so the 19 subjects that were printed with
both would be the combined population.

Pat R."


Consider it done....I already took this into account.

Having (near) completed an AMERICAN BEAUTY 460 run (70 of 74 subjects) these past 9 years, I have developed my own population record of the AB 460 cards.

Thus, I deducted my AB 460 numbers from PSA's un-identified AB numbers to obtain the AB 350 NF numbers.

Trust me....the AB 460 component of PSA's un-identified numbers is in many cases negligible. The following subjects have less than 4 samples of AB 460 cards......

Conroy
Manning
McQuilllan
Overall
Pelty
Steinfeldt
Wagner
Wilhelm
Willis
Wiltse



TED Z
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