Outing my own auction lot.

[glchen]

Brian, can you unscramble the bidder_id for the 484 feedback bidder?

[OldEnglishD]

Could the bidder be trying to sniff out the reserve price?

[bdk1976]

Originally Posted by OldEnglishD

Could the bidder be trying to sniff out the reserve price?

My thoughts as well...

[Brian Van Horn]

Originally Posted by glchen

Brian, can you unscramble the bidder_id for the 484 feedback bidder?

Gary,

From my end I can see the handle/user name of the bidder. Where it puts me in a weird position is if I give out the name because the guy could simply have a method of behavior. I do not know if this is a shill, but if it is it is not on my end. I'm outing my auction which is within my power, but outing that guy brings up a very gray area.

[packs]

I don't think it raises the bid every time you bid if you're bidding against yourself. Basically you're just increasing your max bid, unless I'm wrong. He's just trying to up the bid numbers in an attempt to scare away bidders, at least that's my theory.

[bobbyw8469]

Either way, the reserve is not met. If this was a regular, for real .99 cent auction then that would be one thing. Seeing as how this is a reserve auction, then all bets are off.

[Brian Van Horn]

Same guy on another one of my lots. Is the guy a Yankees fan?

http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d...p2047675.l2565

[glchen]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Gary,

From my end I can see the handle/user name of the bidder. Where it puts me in a weird position is if I give out the name because the guy could simply have a method of behavior. I do not know if this is a shill, but if it is it is not on my end. I'm outing my auction which is within my power, but outing that guy brings up a very gray area.

Why is it a gray area? If this were a PWCC auction, we would be requesting that the bidder id's be outed. If we know the bidder id, we can see if this is a common action that this bidder does in case other sellers have seen this same bidder id in their auctions.

[glchen]

To add on to my previous post, there was a time when ebay did not scramble the bidder ids at all in the past. And I thought that most agreed that it was a bad thing when ebay decided to start this id scrambling. So, I don't know why it's an issue to out these id's.

[Brian Van Horn]

The gray area is his privacy. I out him and I may have repercussions. One other note: he is also high bidder on my 1932 US Caramel Cochrane lot.

[Peter_Spaeth]

He has bid on 787 items with 1680 bids. Just a guy who bids a lot I guess. I wouldn't out him either.

[Brian Van Horn]

The only thing I will say about him is that he has 100% feedback. No, I am not endorsing him. I am simply stating a fact.

[Jay Wolt]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

The only thing I will say about him is that he has 100% feedback. No, I am not endorsing him. I am simply stating a fact.

All bidders have 100% feedback, only sellers can get neutrals & negatives.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

If this were a PWCC auction, we would be requesting that the bidder id's be outed.

Requesting to whom? Brent? I wasn't aware that PWCC provided the identities of its bidders to the Net 54 community.

[glchen]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Requesting to whom? Brent? I wasn't aware that PWCC provided the identities of its bidders to the Net 54 community.

Jeff, if you remember a while back, you won an Exhibit Cobb from a PWCC auction that you believed was shilled. I was the consignor for that lot, and I asked Brent for the bidder id. He gave it to me, and I PM'ed it to you.

[calvindog]

Originally Posted by glchen

Jeff, if you remember a while back, you won an Exhibit Cobb from a PWCC auction that you believed was shilled. I was the consignor for that lot, and I asked Brent for the bidder id. He gave it to me, and I PM'ed it to you.

Isn't that a bit different than Net 54 members calling out Brent publicly to provide us the identities of suspected shill bidders? Why would he have a problem with a consignor having the ebay identity of someone who won his lot?

[glchen]

Originally Posted by calvindog

Isn't that a bit different than Net 54 members calling out Brent publicly to provide us the identities of suspected shill bidders? Why would he have a problem with a consignor having the ebay identity of someone who won his lot?

Well, you won that lot, Jeff, and I asked Brent for the bidder id for an underbidder who you thought may have shilled you up. When I asked Brent for the bidder id, I told him that I would be providing this to you, which you may decide to make public. In this case, since this is Brian's auction, he's technically the consignor here, so it's up to him whether or not to divulge his bidders. His argument here is that divulging bidder identities may result in repercussions, which I would assume means these same bidders not bidding in his future auctions or perhaps even negging him.

[Jewish-collector]

Brian - I bet this bidder is a member of Net54. Maybe he will come on & say hello.

[chernieto]

Originally Posted by Brian Van Horn

Gary,

From my end I can see the handle/user name of the bidder. Where it puts me in a weird position is if I give out the name because the guy could simply have a method of behavior. I do not know if this is a shill, but if it is it is not on my end. I'm outing my auction which is within my power, but outing that guy brings up a very gray area.

I think it shows by simply looking at the bidder activity it is very difficult
( Impossible) to correctly out an auction as shilled. If you didn't shill the auction- then nobody did.....but if this was someone else's ( PWCC )auction the cries of Shill bidding would be loud......hmmm! If I was selling I would be happy with this bidder...