How to crack a $50,000 to $100,000 card.....

Leon · #1 09-13-2015, 09:59 AM

A good friend said I shouldn't leave this information out, so here is the update too. It will be physically given to the NYPL next week, when someone from the NYPL comes to Dallas for it, but the decision has been made for a while.. Thanks to everyone who had patience.

jcmtiger · #2 09-13-2015, 10:17 AM

Leon, in that 5th picture, the screwdriver looks very close to the card.

Has to be tough to give that card up

Joe

Jeffrompa · #3 09-13-2015, 10:50 AM

Doing the right thing . Should be on the front page of the New York Times .

pclpads · #4 09-13-2015, 11:22 AM

For future ref - that is an industrial strength sd and way to big for the project. It invites disaster to the card and your other hand / wrist if it slips. I have always successfully used about a 4" sd which has a much thinner blade on SGC slabs, and so, much easier to pop a top corner seam. Then gradually work a slightly larger sd along the top seam, leaving the first sd in place. Never have had to use snips on SGC slabs, since, like the older PSA slabs, they are fairly easy to open.

steve B · #5 09-13-2015, 11:45 AM

I'm assuming they wanted it unslabbed to save space?

Steve B

mybuddyinc · #6 09-13-2015, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by steve B

I'm assuming they wanted it unslabbed to save space?

Steve B

Could also save on mailing cost ---- penny sleeve and a 50 cent stamp

RaidonCollects · #7 09-13-2015, 12:33 PM

Wow, that card is spectacular, I wondered why the card wasn't listed online when your auction started.

But, that is extremely kind of you Leon. I just read about how it was stolen, and sold on by Mastro (good ol' Mastro

), but you deserve a medal for being so generous, and I think Al Spalding would be proud of you.

Best Wishes,

~Owen

travrosty · #8 09-13-2015, 01:04 PM

too funny.

glchen · #9 09-13-2015, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrompa

Doing the right thing . Should be on the front page of the New York Times .

+1, I don't think a lot of people would have the gumption to do this for such a high dollar card. If this were me, to be honest, I'd probably see if it were possible for me to legally wriggle out of this since the buyer didn't know it was stolen when purchased. Definitely huge kudos.

travrosty · #10 09-13-2015, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by glchen

+1, I don't think a lot of people would have the gumption to do this for such a high dollar card. If this were me, to be honest, I'd probably see if it were possible for me to legally wriggle out of this since the buyer didn't know it was stolen when purchased. Definitely huge kudos.

gary, he did, but came to the conclusion that it would be best to return it, only after negotiating with sgc to have it re-holdered from a 4 to a 2 holder, leon did sgc pay the difference under their guarantee? Otherwise, why bother negotiating having it re-graded and why even bother cracking it out of the holder at all. you would just send it in, in the holder it was in already.

Leon · #11 09-13-2015, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

gary, he did, but came to the conclusion that it would be best to return it, only after negotiating with sgc to have it re-holdered from a 4 to a 2 holder, leon did sgc pay the difference under their guarantee? Otherwise, why bother negotiating having it re-graded and why even bother cracking it out of the holder at all. you would just send it in, in the holder it was in already.

It will be given to the NYPL raw as stated above, well secured and protected.

xplainer · #12 09-13-2015, 02:22 PM

Well done Leon.
Very glad to hear this story end this way.

pokerplyr80 · #13 09-13-2015, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

gary, he did, but came to the conclusion that it would be best to return it, only after negotiating with sgc to have it re-holdered from a 4 to a 2 holder, leon did sgc pay the difference under their guarantee? Otherwise, why bother negotiating having it re-graded and why even bother cracking it out of the holder at all. you would just send it in, in the holder it was in already.

Travis I'm sure that's the case and a fair resolution. Hopefully Leon got his original investment back, and perhaps a little extra. The card is out of a holder it didn't belong in, and the library has their stolen property back.

Hopefully all who were so vocal in the previous thread will see that Leon simply needed some time to make a difficult decision and ultimately made the correct one.

Luke · #14 09-13-2015, 04:28 PM

You just need a butter knife for SGC cases. Stick it in the indent and wiggle back and forth until the case opens. Do it on all sides and take the top and bottom halves apart with your hands. Takes like 5 seconds once you get used to it, and more importantly, is very safe.

travrosty · #15 09-13-2015, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Travis I'm sure that's the case and a fair resolution. Hopefully Leon got his original investment back, and perhaps a little extra. The card is out of a holder it didn't belong in, and the library has their stolen property back.

Hopefully all who were so vocal in the previous thread will see that Leon simply needed some time to make a difficult decision and ultimately made the correct one.

only if he was going to get paid for it,

why was the card put in the heritage auction at the sgc grade it was in, a 4, wasnt the ink marks on the back obvious?

why not reholder it in its correct grade BEFORE trying to auction it off?

wouldnt that be the right thing to do as well?

I am hard pressed to believe Leon doesn't know the difference in card grades and what constitutes ink mark and the consequences of ink marks on the back as pertaining to the grade?

The library doesnt care what holder the card is in. The decision wasnt difficult, it was easy,

Getting paid for the card was the difficult part. if only all the people that had to make difficult (but the right) decisions but werent paid for them could be so lucky.

Peter_Spaeth · #16 09-13-2015, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerplyr80

Travis I'm sure that's the case and a fair resolution. Hopefully Leon got his original investment back, and perhaps a little extra. The card is out of a holder it didn't belong in, and the library has their stolen property back.

Hopefully all who were so vocal in the previous thread will see that Leon simply needed some time to make a difficult decision and ultimately made the correct one.

You are "sure that's the case" based on what?? Leon did not buy the card as a 50, he bought it raw and submitted it. So there is no question here of SGC compensating him.

mrkrab · #17 09-16-2015, 10:17 AM

chea

slidekellyslide · #18 09-16-2015, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mrkrab

chea

Why do so many people edit out complete posts? Why not stand behind what you wrote?

begsu1013 · #19 09-13-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Leon

A good friend said I shouldn't leave this information out, so here is the update too. It will be physically given to the NYPL next week, when someone from the NYPL comes to Dallas for it, but the decision has been made for a while.. Thanks to everyone who had patience.

good shit, leon. seriously!

not sure the intricate details of how it all went down and obviously there was some reluctance in the beginning stages, but this was the absolute right outcome in my eye. the selling of the collection for daughters college was the reason for the liquidation, but in my opinion what you did will teach her above and beyond what **ANY** institution could do.

great fn job!

btw: there's a song by loudin wainwright entitled: "that's my daughter in the water". if ya don't know it, give it a listen...

Peter_Spaeth · #20 09-13-2015, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by begsu1013

good shit, leon. seriously!

not sure the intricate details of how it all went down and obviously there was some reluctance in the beginning stages, but this was the absolute right outcome in my eye. the selling of the collection for daughters college was the reason for the liquidation, but in my opinion what you did will teach her above and beyond what **ANY** institution could do.

great fn job!

btw: there's a song by loudin wainwright entitled: "that's my daughter in the water". if ya don't know it, give it a listen...

Is it better than Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road?

dbrown · #21 09-13-2015, 10:28 PM

Curious, was this known to have been taken, or was it part of the NYPL's infamous ephemera-discarding episode(s)?

Or just unknown how it left the library?

David

begsu1013 · #22 09-13-2015, 11:05 PM

it's most certainly known.

irishdenny · #23 09-13-2015, 11:15 PM

At this point... I do believe that we know more about How T206's were produced then How this Bad Boy took a stroll from the NYPL.

Sir LeoN...

Through all the Threads of Hoopla, I fir one had crystal faith in You!
iN the end... Character, Integrity and just plain BeiN from Texas stood the Test!

And Luke is RiGHT...
However Luke, Can I watch Baseball in stead?
Tennis gives me a Headache

sago · #24 09-13-2015, 11:24 PM

The issue has been discussed ad nauseum in other threads. The search tool is your friend. The fact that it is being returned to the NYPL feels like the main point of the thread. Cracking the card is just an interesting and entertaining side note.

Some people are never satisified, but I am sure that matters little. In the end, a class move.

travrosty · #25 09-14-2015, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sago

The issue has been discussed ad nauseum in other threads. The search tool is your friend. The fact that it is being returned to the NYPL feels like the main point of the thread. Cracking the card is just an interesting and entertaining side note.

Some people are never satisified, but I am sure that matters little. In the end, a class move.

one sided discussion

japhi · #26 09-14-2015, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by travrosty

one sided discussion

Now that is funny. The threads on this have hardly been one sided, lots of members have been beating up on the owner of the forum about this card.

I don't have a strong opinion on this mess one way or the other, but I've been around bulletin boards/forums for 15 years and I've never seen a board owner allow the members to discuss as openly as this issue has been discussed. I mean look at your posts on this thread, you are adding nothing to the discussion other than negativity and your posts are allowed to remain.

You can argue the process but bottom line....the card is back with the rightful owner, and the only party that is out on this transaction (AFAIK) is Leon.

Jacker_ Cracks · #27 09-14-2015, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by japhi

Now that is funny. The threads on this have hardly been one sided, lots of members have been beating up on the owner of the forum about this card.

I don't have a strong opinion on this mess one way or the other, but I've been around bulletin boards/forums for 15 years and I've never seen a board owner allow the members to discuss as openly as this issue has been discussed. I mean look at your posts on this thread, you are adding nothing to the discussion other than negativity and your posts are allowed to remain.

You can argue the process but bottom line....the card is back with the rightful owner, and the only party that is out on this transaction (AFAIK) is Leon.

+1 Time to stop with all the negativity!

Huysmans · #28 09-14-2015, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by irishdenny

At this point... I do believe that we know more about How T206's were produced then How this Bad Boy took a stroll from the NYPL.

Sir LeoN...

Through all the Threads of Hoopla, I fir one had crystal faith in You!
iN the end... Character, Integrity and just plain BeiN from Texas stood the Test!

And Luke is RiGHT...
However Luke, Can I watch Baseball in stead?
Tennis gives me a Headache

Hailing from Texas has nothing to do with it.
I'm guessing people from other States have character and integrity as well.

GehrigFan · #29 09-18-2015, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Leon

A good friend said I shouldn't leave this information out, so here is the update too. It will be physically given to the NYPL next week, when someone from the NYPL comes to Dallas for it, but the decision has been made for a while.. Thanks to everyone who had patience.

Very proud of you Leon. It's no easy task to stand up and bite the bullet on something that wasn't even your fault. You are top class, sir!

Mark

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